# The Walking Dead; 5.15 "Try" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 23, 2015, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734 "2015-03-23T00:43:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734/61 "2015-03-23T22:31:28Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > He was about to screw up everything, perhaps even suggesting he (his team) take the town by force. Michonne was right to shut him up before he spoke on behalf of all of them. Rick and Jessie, without involving Carol or Sam, could have explained everything that had happened - up until the moment Rick began pointing his snubbie at the gawkers. Rick found out that Drunk Doc was abusing his wife. check. Rick uncover the fact that the Alexandrian leadership knew Drunk Doc was abusing his wife. check. Rick questioned Jessie about the abuse. check. Drunk Doc drunkenly began an attack on Rick. check. Rick attempted to detain Drunk Doc. check. An innocent window is shattered, which means Sam now comes from a broken home. (What? Too soon?) check. Rick subdues Drunk Doc. check. Case closed. It would then be up to the Alexandrian leadership to dispense justice. ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734/62 "2015-03-23T22:31:32Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Do they even make timers that incessantly ring like that? Every kitchen timer I’ve seen like that dings once and then it’s done. Yes. Yes, they do. My mother has a kitchen timer that just goes on and on. It’s going to meet with a small accident next Christmas. :dubious::mad: ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734/63 "2015-03-23T22:35:43Z")
> [@The\_Joker\_and\_the\_Thief](#): > > Why don’t they build some sort of efficient zombie-killing mechanism, like Woodbury did? > Why don’t they have 24/7 camera coverage on the exterior walls? > Why don’t they have any chocolate? > > Because the showrunners aren’t interested in creating a very realistic series. In a real zombie apocalypse, I’m eating all of the chocolate first. Just in case. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734/64 "2015-03-23T22:38:55Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Rick and Jessie, without involving Carol or Sam, could have explained everything that had happened - up until the moment Rick began pointing his snubbie at the gawkers. Explain things? LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_of\_Words](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jack\_of\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_of_Words)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734/65 "2015-03-23T22:39:18Z")
> [@The\_Joker\_and\_the\_Thief](#): > > Why don’t they build some sort of efficient zombie-killing mechanism, like Woodbury did? > Why don’t they have 24/7 camera coverage on the exterior walls? > Why don’t they have any chocolate? > > Because the showrunners aren’t interested in creating a very realistic series. Ouch. I feel for them - which reality are you living in? Because it sounds like the one so many posters here pretend exists - where everyone else is as clever as them and has the same clever priorities. Granted, my knowledge of US politics stems largely from The Daily Show, but you definitely have some stupid, functionally useless individuals in high-ranking positions. Why should Deanna be any different? Why should any of the priviliged incompetents inhabiting Alexandria be any different? I made the same point in another episode thread. Yes, they built a pretty stupid wall, and not just because of where the show was filmed. Because the people within the walls have more self-belief than practical knowledge, bolstered in the past by a system designed to offset their idiocy on to those with less power and influence. It’s why they don’t have an inkling of what Rick understands. It’s why they don’t have proper defences and cameras (and chocolate, though I appreciate I’d need an essay to justify that last one, and I can’t be bothered). They’ve been lucky enough, so far, hiding behind their walls recreating a lifestyle which is no longer tenable. But let’s not pretend it’s not realistic. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734/66 "2015-03-23T23:16:23Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > There was some graffiti on the wall of Noah’s neighborhood; it said something like “Wolves are near” or some such. the graffiti was a bit amusing, at first glance it looked like it said " wolves not fair" due to the stone wall it was written on. at second glance you could see it said " wolves not far". of course, jokes of unfair wolves were mentioned. thus far (ha ha) the unfair wolves seem to be into dissection . ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734/67 "2015-03-23T23:35:48Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Oh, it is headed another way. Rick’s group is going to be the “not so bad guys” as soon as the W fellows show up. Basically everything Rick says is gonna be proven right. I’m thinking the Wolves lay siege to Alexandria; Deana & co are utterly unprepared to deal with it without Rick & co. I just hope Deana survives the bloodbath to realize just how naïve she was. Bonus points if Wolves end up loosing and she has to adapting to sharing or ceding leadership to Rick afterward. > [@levdrakon](#): > > …Funny how they’re all about transparency and videoing everything except doctor drunk’s little problem is a secret. Let the whole town know he can’t have any booze and he needs to live in a different house, under house arrest if need be. Heck, if they just cut him off from the booze it’d probably make the problem go away… I got the impression that the doctor beating his wife isn’t much of a secret from anyone except the newcomers. Everybody knows, but nobody acknowledges it for fear of offending the only doctor (the last doctor on the planet as far as any of them are concerned). > [@John\_Mace](#): > > Hard to believe that Carl, worldly wise as he is, would hide in a tree from Walkers. If they storm the tree, there is no exit. Very, very stupid and totally not believable. > > Oh wait, RAGING TEENAGE HORMONES!!! 😃 Is it bad that I wondered if the zombies outside & being so close to death killed the woodie he’s bound to have had, or just made it harder. 😉 > [@Spoke](#): > > That would be an interesting and realistic plot development, which is why it will never, ever happen. 😃 It also answer that pesky question about whether the lack of babies has some deeper in universe explanation like humanity going sterile, or the writers just haven’t bothered to write in any babies beside Lilith. Agreed it’s not going to happen. > [@Sherrerd](#): > > I expect Rick will send him to the front lines of the battle. Then after Rick and Jessie get together in the wake of Pete’s demise, Jessie will ultimately give birth to a baby who will be so wise that he comes up with a cure for zombie-ism. My pet theory is that babies born after having been exposed to the latent virus in their mother’s womb turn out to be immune, but of course there’s no way to really test this without killing Lilith. I have no idea how scientifically plausible that may be, other than it’s a lot more scientifically plausible than zombies are in the first place. 😃 > [@PatriotX](#): > > Rick was actively trying not to kill the guy. > that’s why he didn’t just dispatch the dr Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734/68 "2015-03-23T23:40:53Z")
> [@The\_Joker\_and\_the\_Thief](#): > > Why don’t they build some sort of efficient zombie-killing mechanism, like Woodbury did? > Why don’t they have 24/7 camera coverage on the exterior walls? > Why don’t they have any chocolate? > > Because the showrunners aren’t interested in creating a very realistic series. Meh. If they did have that I guarantee you that people would still complain. “You’re tell me that they are going to waste precious electricity on some cameras when they already have walls?” “You’re tell me they just have piles of chocolate laying around? It would have gone bad and waxy by now.” You just have to go with it. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734/69 "2015-03-23T23:45:20Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > In those shots from the tower showing the zombies being picked off, it looked like we could see an open end of the fence that is supposedly encircling the neighborhood. I was wrong. On re-watching that part, the fence turns in such a way as we only see the top of it and I thought there was nothing there. However, just prior to that we see zombies approaching from the tower POV and they pass by the back of the false front of a house (the same house where Carl spots the girl in a window just before our group enters Alexandria) which has been painted black to make it look like all but the front part of the house burned away (?), but it looks more like the front part of a false house front painted black. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2015, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734/70 "2015-03-24T00:18:36Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > Really? As an actor, I thought he ramped it up beautifully in that scene - by the end he was definitely playing ‘deranged’. I guess I was agreeing with him so strongly that it didn’t look deranged to me - it looked like a man desperately trying to convince people of something dead obvious to him, that they just aren’t getting. Pointing the gun at them wasn’t a good idea, though. That could be chalked up to adrenaline, though - he was still totally amped from the fight. ---
**Author:** ![fridolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/85f322/32.png) [@fridolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fridolph)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2015, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734/71 "2015-03-24T00:33:15Z")
Obviously the community doesn’t like Rick’s group. However, Deanna know in herself that Rick’s group is asset in the community that she want to build. On the other hand, Carol see herself in Jessie’s condition. ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2015, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734/72 "2015-03-24T01:35:08Z")
I wonder if Rick & his band of Merry Men are exiled, would Enid go with them? She’s obviously not satisfied with a life behind walls. At least one parent is dead. She can handle herself and she’s growing attached to Carl. I was sort of right about the town knowing what the doctor (who reminds me of Gary Busey) was evil, but turning a blind eye to keep his services as doc. They can’t just wait for the next graduating med school class. And forcing him to behave wouldn’t guarantee that he’d treat them properly. I think public shaming would work better. If he has any shred of self-esteem, he’d want to behave so that people didn’t think he was a drunk wife-beater. StG ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2015, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734/73 "2015-03-24T03:29:42Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I guess I was agreeing with him so strongly that it didn’t look deranged to me - it looked like a man desperately trying to convince people of something dead obvious to him, that they just aren’t getting. > > Pointing the gun at them wasn’t a good idea, though. That could be chalked up to adrenaline, though - he was still totally amped from the fight. Not to mention that he was pointing a gun that had not been issued to him. I’m wondering if that will come up later. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2015, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734/74 "2015-03-24T03:57:19Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Is it bad that I wondered if the zombies outside & being so close to death killed the woodie he’s bound to have had, or just made it harder. 😉 No, that is not bad; this is bad: I was thinking that at that age he was bound to have a woody IRL, and I was wondering how awkward that might have been for the actress in the scene. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2015, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734/75 "2015-03-24T05:28:41Z")
1. The baby is called Judith, not Lillith, unless that’s a joke that whooshed me. 2. The Wolves showing up at the gates will be the season-ending cliffhanger. ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2015, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734/76 "2015-03-24T09:20:59Z")
where the hell is maggie? She has had no airtime except eavesdropping on father gabriel. ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2015, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734/77 "2015-03-24T09:25:06Z")
well, i mean not much, i hope she has a role in the finale, but doesnt get killed ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2015, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734/78 "2015-03-24T09:51:51Z")
One thing in the Fight I noticed, Evil dad threw his son (maybe wife, Not sure) off him while fighting, but then rick did the same thing to Coral. Was this some kind of attempt at making them look equally deranged? ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2015, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734/79 "2015-03-24T11:35:49Z")
So in Alexandria there are only 3 possible ways to deal with domestic battery: 1) death, 2) exile, and 3) do nothing. Does anyone consider calling a town meeting and telling the doctor that everyone knows about it and it WILL stop or else? Deanna was a Congresswoman! She hasn’t set up a system to punish non-felony crimes? Maybe have a rudimentary court system, a small jail, or a batters counseling group? Something? Anything but exile being the only punishment. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2015, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734/80 "2015-03-24T11:50:05Z")
So - my guess is the “W” folks are the previously exiled members of the Community - just to functionally prove Rick’s comments. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-15-try-open-spoilers/715734.md?page=5)