# The Walking Dead; 5.16 "Conquer" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 29, 2015, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311 "2015-03-29T23:45:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311/101 "2015-03-30T17:46:32Z")
> [@Master\_Wang-Ka](#): > > Now that I think about it, I kind of feel sorry for the actor. > > He signed on to play a drunk, unlikeable evil bastard whose destiny was to die. Actor probably knew that when he took the job. > > But how would I feel about being known to a national audience as “Porch Dick?” I’m certain that he sobs all the way to the bank. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311/102 "2015-03-30T17:48:52Z")
> [@Master\_Wang-Ka](#): > > Now that I think about it, I kind of feel sorry for the actor. > > He signed on to play a drunk, unlikeable evil bastard whose destiny was to die. Actor probably knew that when he took the job. > > But how would I feel about being known to a national audience as “Porch Dick?” It’s got to be better than the abuse actor Seth Gilliam is going to get for portraying Fr. Gabriel Stokes. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311/103 "2015-03-30T17:56:45Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I’m certain that he sobs all the way to the bank. 🙂 True. I guess it’s better to be known and remembered than it is to have to pass your 8x10s around to the talent agents. “Yeah, I was PORCH DICK, the irredeemable villain from WALKING DEAD! So, you wanna hire me?” Weirdly, I feel that Seth Gilliam is a better actor; he’s got more presence in his scenes, even when he’s not doing anything. And in the comic, Gabriel gets better. But in the comics, we do not kill and save the same characters. I find it hilarious that in the comics, Carol is long dead, and her daughter SOPHIE is still very much alive… ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311/104 "2015-03-30T17:57:55Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > It’s got to be better than the abuse actor Seth Gilliam is going to get for portraying Fr. Gabriel Stokes. After the cathartic meltdown and prayer session, his character may improve. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311/105 "2015-03-30T18:00:20Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Daryl knew Abe Ford had left that very map at Gabrial’s church, asking Rick’s group to follow. “_Sorry, I was an asshole. Come to Washington. The new world’s gonna need Rick Grimes_.” > > Daryl recognized the map, and had probably known about Morgan from Rick’s stories. The writers should have spent a little time explaining the connection. > > Ninja by **Master Wang-Ka** Yeah, I’m WAY too dumb to remember that. Thanks everyone for the heads up. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311/106 "2015-03-30T18:22:31Z")
My recording cut off at the very end. There were a couple of scenes after the credit roll; one was Michonne taking her sword off the wall, but the next one didn’t make the cut. What happened? Also: Seth Gilliam was excellent in The Wire. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311/107 "2015-03-30T18:24:35Z")
> [@Master\_Wang-Ka](#): > > True. I guess it’s better to be known and remembered than it is to have to pass your 8x10s around to the talent agents. “Yeah, I was PORCH DICK, the irredeemable villain from WALKING DEAD! So, you wanna hire me?” It might be his big break. I remember an interview with actress Mae Clarke where she said that a scene in _Public Enemy_, where James Cagney pushed a grapefruit into her face, was a scene that most casting directors remembered, and they would then cast her for their film. Hollyweird is weird. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/k4R5wZs8cxI/hqdefault.jpg "James Cagney smashes a grapefruit into Mae Clarke's face") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4R5wZs8cxI) ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311/108 "2015-03-30T18:26:17Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > My recording cut off at the very end. There were a couple of scenes after the credit roll; one was Michonne taking her sword off the wall, but the next one didn’t make the cut. What happened? > > Also: Seth Gilliam was excellent in The Wire. The wolves reset the trailer trap, and the red poncho guy was now a walker - spray painted on the car that Aaron and Daryl holed up in was WOLVES NOT FAR. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311/109 "2015-03-30T18:26:47Z")
> [@Master\_Wang-Ka](#): > > Seems to me that the point Rick is trying to make is that in the world that IS, NOW, in universe, one cannot afford the luxury of allowing a dangerous loony to run loose. I found it interesting that when they decided RICK was a dangerous loony, what did they do? Fix him up and put him on a mattress in a prison made of… drywall. With one of his own people guarding him. When Rick started laughing after waking up, that was my first thought. That he was laughing in a Shane-esque “These idiots should have killed me, not put me in time out.” ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311/110 "2015-03-30T18:27:54Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > My recording cut off at the very end. There were a couple of scenes after the credit roll; one was Michonne taking her sword off the wall, but the next one didn’t make the cut. What happened? > > Also: Seth Gilliam was excellent in The Wire. Michonne slipped the katana and scabbard over head and back where it belonged. Ninja Chick is back. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311/111 "2015-03-30T18:33:55Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I mean, they’re all sitting around that stupid fire pit wondering why Rick didn’t show up, and I want scream at them: _Someone go look for Rick and bring him the goddam meeting. This whole place is tiny, it would take just a few fucking minutes to find him!!!_ I had to laugh: Rick starts running when he finds the gate open; it’s bright daylight. Rick is still running; it’s full night. How large is this compound? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311/112 "2015-03-30T18:34:59Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Michonne slipped the katana and scabbard over head and back where it belonged. Ninja Chick is back. Yeah, I saw that part. But there appeared to be a second scene outside Zombie Compound. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311/113 "2015-03-30T18:36:28Z")
So I guess the point of the trap is people get lured to the depot, realize it may be full of canned goods, open a truck, get eaten by zombies and drop all their stuff, Wolves reset the trap and collect said stuff. Seems like a lot of trouble for a few knapsacks of stuff. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311/114 "2015-03-30T18:39:47Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Yeah, I saw that part. But there appeared to be a second scene outside Zombie Compound. **SykoSkotty** covered it. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311/115 "2015-03-30T18:40:51Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > So I guess the point of the trap is people get lured to the depot, realize it may be full of canned goods, open a truck, get eaten by zombies and drop all their stuff, Wolves reset the trap and collect said stuff. > > Seems like a lot of trouble for a few knapsacks of stuff. Well there’s no TV. Gotta do something to amuse yourself. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311/116 "2015-03-30T18:41:57Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > So I guess the point of the trap is people get lured to the depot, realize it may be full of canned goods, open a truck, get eaten by zombies and drop all their stuff, Wolves reset the trap and collect said stuff. > > Seems like a lot of trouble for a few knapsacks of stuff. Collect said stuff and gain a few more walkers. It’s not like they have anything better to do that day. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311/117 "2015-03-30T18:46:54Z")
So on Talking Dead - the actor who plays Morgan explained his scene in the beginning - honking the horn. When I saw that I clearly thought that Morgan was trapping the two dudes in the car, and luring more zombies over as payback for their trying to kill him. In the Talking Dead, the actor explains that he puts them in there and honks the horn to make sure there are no zombies around. WTF? That is completely opposite of how I interpreted that scene. I’m going to call foul on the directing/editing of that one. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311/118 "2015-03-30T18:51:06Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > So on Talking Dead - the actor who plays Morgan explained his scene in the beginning - honking the horn. When I saw that I clearly thought that Morgan was trapping the two dudes in the car, and luring more zombies over as payback for their trying to kill him. > > In the Talking Dead, the actor explains that he puts them in there and honks the horn to make sure there are no zombies around. WTF? That is completely opposite of how I interpreted that scene. I’m going to call foul on the directing/editing of that one. That was weird. I thought maybe he was alerting other Wolves in the area to come get their guys. Morgan is way too nice. ---
**Author:** ![Edward\_The\_Head](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce73a5/32.png) [@Edward\_The\_Head](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Edward_The_Head)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311/119 "2015-03-30T18:53:16Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Collect said stuff and gain a few more walkers. It’s not like they have anything better to do that day. They could have a rave. > [@Bone](#): > > In the Talking Dead, the actor explains that he puts them in there and honks the horn to make sure there are no zombies around. WTF? That is completely opposite of how I interpreted that scene. I’m going to call foul on the directing/editing of that one. Could be that he was seeing if there were any walkers around so he knew how careful he needed to be. No walkers show up for a minute he’s good to go, a few show up he’s got to be a lot more careful to get away. Though I thought the same thing, that he was giving them to the walkers. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311/120 "2015-03-30T18:57:31Z")
> [@Edward\_The\_Head](#): > > Could be that he was seeing if there were any walkers around so he knew how careful he needed to be. No walkers show up for a minute he’s good to go, a few show up he’s got to be a lot more careful to get away. Though I thought the same thing, that he was giving them to the walkers. I saw it as he was giving them a chance…he’d lock them in the car, summon walkers and leave. If the Wolves were smart enough, they’d figure a way out of it…if not they could rot. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-16-conquer-open-spoilers/716311.md?page=7)