# The Walking Dead; 6.04 "Here’s Not Here" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 2, 2015, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377 "2015-11-02T00:24:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![MoonMoon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moonmoon/32/2959_2.png) [@MoonMoon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoonMoon)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/41 "2015-11-02T16:45:22Z")
I liked it, but I knew we were getting a Morgan backstory episode and that they’d leave us hanging until next week. I find it fascinating (and annoying) that after only one episode I’d rather watch Eastman every week than any of our survivors. ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/42 "2015-11-02T16:49:22Z")
Furthering my like of this episode and Morgan’s backstory - I recall the season finale last year, when we first saw Morgan in the woods, and he was attacked by the two Wolves (the one he spoke to is now his prisoner) and Morgan defended himself. Everyone here was asking “what happened to Morgan? How did he suddenly become a martial arts master?” Well…now you know. They just happened to insert the backstory in between the herd and Glenn. Looks to me like this season is going to take place entirely over the course of one day. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/43 "2015-11-02T17:04:43Z")
> [@SykoSkotty](#): > > Furthering my like of this episode and Morgan’s backstory - I recall the season finale last year, when we first saw Morgan in the woods, and he was attacked by the two Wolves (the one he spoke to is now his prisoner) and Morgan defended himself. Everyone here was asking “what happened to Morgan? How did he suddenly become a martial arts master?” > > Well…now you know. That could have been explained in 90 _seconds_. Or less. 🙂 But now that the writers have invested so much time in Morgan, I guess we can presume that he’s going to be around for awhile. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/44 "2015-11-02T17:18:01Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > OK, I hate to say it again and again, but Morgan needs to die. Not just because he saved one of the wolves, but because his backstory is fucking boring. To be honest, it looked to me like they were prepping Morgan for a spin off. Sooner or later, him and Rick are going to have a come to jesus talk regarding the disposition of wolves for now, and anything else later. I have no idea what the comic series fate, that Morgan is slated for, but seems like he would be the one that would lead the wolves to effectively become sheep dogs. I can see that all life is sacred thing, earning him a bullet from Rick and the only resolution is to either exile Morgan, or have him leave of his own accord. Declan ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/45 "2015-11-02T17:33:49Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > To be honest, it looked to me like they were prepping Morgan for a spin off. Sooner or later, him and Rick are going to have a come to jesus talk regarding the disposition of wolves for now, and anything else later. Very minor spoiler, but it does involve something not yet revealed: Funny thing is, there is a new character introduced this season who goes by the name of Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/46 "2015-11-02T18:41:07Z")
By the way, yesterday I watched _The Scouts’ Guide to the Zombie Apocalypse_ and it was disappointing because I was hoping for pragmatic, well-disciplined, multi-skilled paramilitary zombie killfest and it was mostly a horny teen comedy. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/47 "2015-11-02T18:45:39Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > By the way, yesterday I watched _The Scouts’ Guide to the Zombie Apocalypse_ and it was disappointing because I was hoping for pragmatic, well-disciplined, multi-skilled paramilitary zombie killfest and it was mostly a horny teen comedy. I hate it when that happens. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/48 "2015-11-02T20:46:52Z")
> [@Master\_Wang-Ka](#): > > and then introduce ANOTHER suspenseful plot point, while resolving NOTHING. What? The captured Wolf? Seems pretty resolved to me. Morgan’s going to let him die just like Eastman let his psychopath die. It won’t take 47 days though. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/49 "2015-11-02T21:51:14Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > What? The captured Wolf? Seems pretty resolved to me. Morgan’s going to let him die just like Eastman let his psychopath die. It won’t take 47 days though. I didn’t get that at all. The whole point was Eastman regretted what he did; why would Morgan do the same? ---
**Author:** ![stosh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@stosh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stosh)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/50 "2015-11-02T22:34:12Z")
At the beginning of the show, didn’t one of the zombies have his hands tied up like the captured wolf ? Then, we spend an hour and a half finding out how Morgan learned how to use his stick. Lets join together for a resounding. . . so what ! A couple of seasons ago we spent a lot of time wondering what happened to the little girl ( I forget her name ) and she turned up as a zombie, so, who knows about Glen. The writers will have to get out the old dart board to see what happens ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/51 "2015-11-02T22:50:08Z")
> [@stosh](#): > > At the beginning of the show, didn’t one of the zombies have his hands tied up like the captured wolf ? > Then, we spend an hour and a half finding out how Morgan learned how to use his stick. Lets join together for a resounding. . . so what ! > A couple of seasons ago we spent a lot of time wondering what happened to the little girl > ( I forget her name ) and she turned up as a zombie, so, who knows about Glen. > The writers will have to get out the old dart board to see what happens Carol’s daughter being a mostly-intact zombie never made any sense to me. Someone of that size would have been mostly consumed by any attacking walker, if you ask me… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/52 "2015-11-03T02:33:30Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I didn’t get that at all. The whole point was Eastman regretted what he did; why would Morgan do the same? Morgan is crazy and emulating Eastman. You can’t kill the guy, but you can let him starve to death unless he becomes a zombie first. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/53 "2015-11-03T02:45:10Z")
But Eastman didn’t actually follow through on his plan, unless I missed something. He never actually did kidnap and starve the murderer, having decided before acting on his plan that “all life is precious.” Personally, I find the whole tangent an annoying waste of time. This kind of philosophizing only comes into play when the antagonists are other humans (which is pretty much constant on this show) when the real enemy should first, foremost and near-exclusively be the undead. Within the _Walking Dead_ universe, it’s been less than two years since the outbreak. _Where the fuck are all these doomsday cults and cannibafascists coming from?_ ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/54 "2015-11-03T02:53:04Z")
Yes he did. They discussed it in the grave yard after Morgan saw the marker with the psychopath’s name on it. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/55 "2015-11-03T02:54:08Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > But Eastman didn’t actually follow through on his plan, unless I missed something. Yes he did, he told Morgan about it before he offed himself. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/56 "2015-11-03T02:54:12Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > But Eastman didn’t actually follow through on his plan, unless I missed something. He never actually did kidnap and starve the murderer, having decided before acting on his plan that “all life is precious.” > > Personally, I find the whole tangent an annoying waste of time. This kind of philosophizing only comes into play when the antagonists are other humans (which is pretty much constant on this show) when the real enemy should first, foremost and near-exclusively be the undead. Within the _Walking Dead_ universe, it’s been less than two years since the outbreak. _Where the fuck are all these doomsday cults and cannibafascists coming from?_ You DID miss something. Eastman explicitly tells the story of avenging his family. He got neither satisfaction nor peace from it. It happened shortly before everything went to hell, ad when he went to turn himself it, there were no longer any authorities to turn himself in to. ETA: And the antagonists in WD ARE mostly other humans. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/57 "2015-11-03T03:03:36Z")
Let us see how many folks can Ninja each other! It is 8:58 CST. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/58 "2015-11-03T03:07:16Z")
On review, I see that Eastman doesn’t deny starving Creighton Dallas Wilton to death when Morgan asks, he just says and then repeats “I have come to believe that all life is precious.” It’s actually kind of coy, for no apparent reason other than dramatic timing. I hadn’t noticed the Wilton grave or heard Eastman’s later confession of kidnapping and killing him, but I admit that by then, my attention was truly wandering elsewhere. I was already pretty iffy on the episode and the stupid way Eastman got bit turned me off completely. I didn’t really “wake up” to the episode again until the final scene with the captive Wolf. ---
**Author:** ![Edward\_The\_Head](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce73a5/32.png) [@Edward\_The\_Head](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Edward_The_Head)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/59 "2015-11-03T03:08:49Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Morgan is crazy and emulating Eastman. You can’t kill the guy, but you can let him starve to death unless he becomes a zombie first. I don’t think Morgan is going to let him starve, I think he’s going to keep him there til he can find someone to tell that there’s a Wolf locked up. I can’t see Morgan learning all that stuff from Eastman and still wanting to starve the wolf. This was an ok episode. There was too much Morgan, I got the point from reading the damn book. They could have shortened the whole thing. I get why Morgan doesn’t want to kill, I’ve no problems with that for the most part. But there are times in such a universe that you have to kill the crazy, murderous people. I did like Eastman, too bad he had to get bitten. He could have made an interesting addition to the show. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/60 "2015-11-03T03:09:51Z")
Eastman’s psychopath grew flowers, and there were wildflowers where ever Morgan went. I would be very surprised if the writers/directors/producers have the intelligence to play that out, even if they did inaugurate it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377.md?page=4)