# The Walking Dead; 6.04 "Here’s Not Here" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 2, 2015, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377 "2015-11-02T00:24:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/81 "2015-11-03T19:27:49Z")
I will be shocked if there is ANY resolution of the Glen issue next week. The writers must have known they’d be creating some killer (pun intended), so why spoil that so quickly? ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/82 "2015-11-03T19:55:00Z")
I also doubt we’ll get a resolution on Glenn, hell maybe not for the rest of the season. But at least the issue will be addressed when Maggie goes looking for him. I forget, are scenes from next week’s episode considered spoilers? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/83 "2015-11-03T20:09:45Z")
injuredWolf is in the house in Alexandria that they also kept Rick in after the fight. All of that (with injuredWolf) happened directly after the wolves were repulsed. I took the passing of Carol and Morgan as doorhinge did - just to symbolize that they are on opposite paths for the same goal - just passing. Everything with Eastman happened last season - before Terminus. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/84 "2015-11-03T20:20:22Z")
Is Glen now Schrodinger’s Korean? ---
**Author:** ![Soylent\_Juicy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@Soylent\_Juicy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soylent_Juicy)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/85 "2015-11-03T20:35:34Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > I guess I’m in the minority, I really enjoyed this episode. You’re not the only one, I enjoyed it too. Is it bad that I felt more concern for Tabatha the Goat than any human character? > [@MeanJoe](#): > > As for the episode itself, I was really disappointed that they killed Eastman. I’d have preferred to have had Morgan move on and be left as a viewer knowing there are still Eastmans in the world. I fully agree. It seemed to me like Eastman wasn’t acting - that he was a real man, not a character on a tv show. I nearly cried when he got bit. I wanted him to be my have-coffee-on-Sundays neighbour. I wonder how many Akido studios are going to see an influx of students after this episode? I know I Googled. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/86 "2015-11-03T20:39:34Z")
> [@Soylent\_Juicy](#): > > I wonder how many Akido studios are going to see an influx of students after this episode? I, too. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/87 "2015-11-03T21:52:10Z")
I’m wondering why we had to blow off a great deal of momentum and suspense to suddenly focus on what Morgan was doing for a half year or so. I rather liked the episode. I would have enjoyed it more if we’d gotten some resolution from the plot threads we’ve got hanging. Instead, we ADD a plot thread: a homicidal maniac who seems to be part of a cult embracing the joy of murder is now tied up in a basement in Alexandria where no one knows about him, and now he doesn’t have anything to lose; he knows he’s going to die, and apparently, murder is part of his religion. Part of me says, “Well, it will be interesting to contrast Rick and his “no second chances” philosophy and Morgan’s “Well, this guy tried to kill me several times, and then flat admitted he’d do it again, not only to me, but to everyone in town…but I think I can turn him around” beliefs.” And part of me says, “Goddammit, ANOTHER goddamn dangling plot thread? When the &%$# are we going to start tying this nonsense UP? I swear, it’s like watching _LOST_ with zombies!” ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/88 "2015-11-03T21:52:36Z")
> [@Soylent\_Juicy](#): > > It seemed to me like Eastman wasn’t acting - that he was a real man, not a character on a tv show. I nearly cried when he got bit. I wanted him to be my have-coffee-on-Sundays neighbour. Truth be told, I was distracted by the recognizability of the actor. The typical casting on _TWD_ is for relative unknowns - I think Michael Rooker and Tovah Feldshuh are the only actors I recognized from their previous work. Whenever I looked at John Carroll Lynch’s Eastman: 1. I was reminded that he’d once been married to Mimi (_The Drew Carey Show_), and 2. I was certain he was not going to survive because of that. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/89 "2015-11-03T22:07:56Z")
I hated this episode. So dull and uneventful. To pick this episode to devote 90 minutes when 10 minutes or less would have worked, combined with the pseudo artistic type shots made me think this was indulgent filler. I liked Morgan before. I like him much less after this episode. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/90 "2015-11-03T22:19:45Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > b.) two episodes ago we had the wolf attack on Alexandria which is where Morgan encountered this guy and subdued him. At the end of that episode, at the end of the attack itself, doesn’t Morgan walk-out and leave Alexandria? > [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > Some people believed at the end of that episode that Morgan had left Alexandria, but it definitely wasn’t explicit. All we see is him passing Carol on the road and heading towards a blurry, tree-filled background. It wasn’t even implicit. He isn’t walking toward a “blurry, tree-filled background” - he is walking along a street in A-town and toward the wall but not the gate. He’s just walking around town. Not leaving. As others pointed out, this was just to show him walking past Carol. > [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > Hated it. This episode moved the story along about a quarter of an inch. And it took 90 minutes to do it. And I didn’t give two shits about how Morgan became a martial arts expert. It was 64 minutes, and I think it will become a bit more significant as we see how things progress with Morgan, the W prisoner, and the Ws in general. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/91 "2015-11-03T22:59:51Z")
So, I’m the only one who that one the captive wolf guy looks like the Geiko Caveman? ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/92 "2015-11-03T23:54:05Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > It was 64 minutes, and I think it will become a bit more significant as we see how things progress with Morgan, the W prisoner, and the Ws in general. I don’t understand. Are you talking about without commercials? And as the episode concluded my first thought was, “I bet none of this will have anything to do with anything moving forward.” Sure seemed like a self-contained sub-story. I mean, Eastman ain’t coming back. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/93 "2015-11-04T00:13:40Z")
Was wolf-man Walker bitten, or did he just have a severe wound? It didn’t look like w bite to me. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/94 "2015-11-04T00:40:46Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I didn’t get that at all. The whole point was Eastman regretted what he did; why would Morgan do the same? Eastman regretted what he did, and it didn’t give him closure. (It did turn him into someone who would not kill a human.) The Wolf was nothing to Morgan. The only ‘closure’ would be if the Wolf could be turned. But he couldn’t. He was a psychopath just like Crighton Dallas Wilton. The point is that he _tried_ to turn the Wolf. When he saw it couldn’t be done, he had two choices (three, if you count letting him go): Kill him, or let him die. Morgan decided he would no longer kill if he can help it, so that left letting Wolfboy die. It mirrors the way Eastman dealt with Wilton, but Wilton was starved to death over 47 days. The Wolf was bitten at some point, and was showing the symptoms of the infection. He’ll die long before he starves; so it’s not as torturous as what Wilton went through. Of course now there will be a zombie that someone might stumble upon. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/95 "2015-11-04T00:47:44Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > I don’t understand. Are you talking about without commercials? Of course. Many of us don’t watch TV commercials these days; it’s rather old-fashioned. Just because some watched almost half an hour of commercials doesn’t really make it a “90 minute” episode. For me it was 64:20 (0:30 of that being the recap). ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/96 "2015-11-04T01:48:26Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I believe that this episode was used by the writers to answer the viewers who question the mood swings of the characters. PTSD. First they’re OK, then they’re depressed, then they’re psychotic, and then they’re sorta OK for a while. Until something else triggers another medical episode. I actually have already assumed that everyone in the TWD universe has PTSD. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/97 "2015-11-04T03:01:26Z")
Eastman was John Larroquette, Jenkins in _The Librarians_. So he is not dead, just gone some where else. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GregSL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecae2f/32.png) [@GregSL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GregSL)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/98 "2015-11-04T03:06:05Z")
Morgan will find out that the Wolf in holding (or the leader) has the name of Crighton Dallas Wilton, and realize that Eastman was not only unable to go through with killing him, but caused a lot of deaths in doing so. That will open Morgan’s eyes back to reality. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/99 "2015-11-04T03:11:15Z")
> [@GregSL](#): > > Morgan will find out that the Wolf in holding (or the leader) has the name of Crighton Dallas Wilton, and realize that Eastman was not only unable to go through with killing him, but caused a lot of deaths in doing so. That will open Morgan’s eyes back to reality. That’s preposterous. Completely preposterous. The Wolf is Creighton Dallas Wilton’s _evil twin!_ ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377/100 "2015-11-04T03:42:39Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > That’s preposterous. Completely preposterous. > > The Wolf is Creighton Dallas Wilton’s _evil twin!_ Like sands through the hourglass… so are the Days of Our Living Dead. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-04-here-s-not-here-open-spoilers/736377.md?page=6)