# The Walking Dead; 6.05 "Now" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 9, 2015, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064 "2015-11-09T01:02:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/41 "2015-11-09T16:39:29Z")
> [@leftfield6](#): > > No reason to think another one is in there. But I think this is an example of the show being either (a) a little too clever by assuming that viewers would “get” the story of why the woman (Betsey) was dead/zombie, or maybe (b) the scenes that would have set this up wound up on the cutting room floor. > > The zombie housewife is Betsey, who (it seems) committed suicide after her husband (David) was killed during the attempt to return to Alexandria. So she slit her wrists, setting up her eventual reawakening as a zombie housewife. So, no reason to think anyone else was in the house. And for those to whom this is only vaguely familiar, Betsy is who David wrote the note to and tried to give to Michonne. Michonne refused, so Betsy never got her note. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/42 "2015-11-09T17:07:02Z")
At this point Glenn has to be alive. The way they are being coy about it would be shitty if a character who has been there since the beginning was really killed off. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/43 "2015-11-09T17:14:26Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > At this point Glenn has to be alive. The way they are being coy about it would be shitty if a character who has been there since the beginning was really killed off. to the fans it seems shitty - only because we want him to both be alive (we like him) and dead (no way even ‘he’ should survive this particular mess). In story - it makes perfect sense - its a dangerous world - they were on a particularly dangerous run and alot of things (well, damn near everything) wen’t sideways - in story, you don’t always get to find out what happens to the people on these runs. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/44 "2015-11-09T17:39:22Z")
> [@simster](#): > > to the fans it seems shitty - only because we want him to both be alive (we like him) and dead (no way even ‘he’ should survive this particular mess). > > In story - it makes perfect sense - its a dangerous world - they were on a particularly dangerous run and alot of things (well, damn near everything) wen’t sideways - in story, you don’t always get to find out what happens to the people on these runs. The novel Zone One by Coulson Whitehead handled this very well. The main character - nicknamed Mark Spitz - meets up with another survivor and they end up developing a sexual possibly romantic relationship and winter together. One day she goes out on a supply run and never comes back. He waits a few days and then moves on himself and that’s the end of it. He doesn’t try to find her, he doesn’t “need to know” because that’s not how you survive a zombie apocalypse. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/45 "2015-11-09T17:39:43Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Yeah, Rick, go ahead and get laid while the zombies break down the walls. > Good Plan. > :dubious: Wouldn’t you prefer to out with a bang? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/46 "2015-11-09T17:43:18Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > What happened to keeping the lights out/shades down? That garage was lit up. So was Deanna’s eldest son Spencer. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/47 "2015-11-09T18:00:14Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Last season Deanna was strong, decisive, smart and a good leader. She had a different point of view than Rick because she had a different experience but she was every bit his equal. This season she is a helpless idiot for no other reason than the show’s POV is Rick is the Best. I hate that. I believe Deanna changed because she’s lost her husband to a drunk, has been forced to confront the deadly, bloody reality that is the ZA, and realized that her dream for the future of Alexandria has not been realistic. What this community really needs is a good cheese-making, forensic physiatrist (but they killed him off). While Deanna realizes that she’s ill-equipped for physical fighting, she did attempt to use her skills to organize the Alexandrian farm crops. She’s doing what she can. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/48 "2015-11-09T18:13:09Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > At this point Glenn has to be alive. The way they are being coy about it would be shitty if a character who has been there since the beginning was really killed off. I’ll propose a new twist. The writers/director released actor/crew photos to ET (Entertainment Tonight) showing Glenn with a not-yet-introduced character. Assumptions are made by the fans. The editors then edit Glenn’s character out of all future episodes. With multiple, out-of-sequence scheduled scene shoots, and digital editing, the producers/editors/writers can keep cast and crew from leaking possible storyline endings and ruining the suspense/drama/interest. Or not. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/49 "2015-11-09T18:41:06Z")
> [@simster](#): > > they can still bond - point is/was its the trope - if Maggie “moves on”, Glenn will be alive - if she doesn’t - he’s dead until she does (assuming we never see the body) Not too make too much of this, but the trope is not platonic bonding with a gay guy. Forming a platonic friendship with a gay guy is not “moving on”. Plus, we already saw how that trope was broken in the first few episodes of this show. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/50 "2015-11-09T18:50:30Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Last season Deanna was strong, decisive, smart and a good leader. She had a different point of view than Rick because she had a different experience but she was every bit his equal. This season she is a helpless idiot for no other reason than the show’s POV is Rick is the Best. I hate that. As [the AV Club put it:](http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/everyones-trapped-walking-dead-228110) > [@](#): > > Speaking of Rick remaining on top, you could do a decent drinking game with every time a non-Rick character loudly tells someone else how great Rick is. It would be a lot easier to appreciate the character if it didn’t feel like he was being shoved down our throats. The show is an _Atlas Shrugged_-esque work of philosophical fiction, and like _Atlas Shrugged_ it’s completely in the tank for its philosophy, and is willing to sell out everything else - other characters, plot, watchability, consistency - in the name of pushing Rickism. ---
**Author:** ![stosh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@stosh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stosh)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/51 "2015-11-09T18:52:12Z")
First of all, Rick gets back and they are surrounded by the zombies, so, he gathers up everybody and yells at them to be quite. Then, do they gather together the people who want to fight back and come up with a plan of action to get out of there ? Hell no, they split up into little groups and wander around like the a-holes they are. Think what a swat team or seal team would do to these zombies. All they would have to do is make a lot of noise on the other side of the place and escape out the other ( they have cars.) ---
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/52 "2015-11-09T19:07:55Z")
Those sewer tunnels could be a great escape route in case of a wall failing, too bad Aaron won’t tell them about it. ---
**Author:** ![McDeath\_the\_Mad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a3d4f5/32.png) [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/McDeath_the_Mad)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/53 "2015-11-09T19:44:29Z")
Like it gets mentioned here every week, I just hate how common logic is dropped for dramatic effect! If I was Alexandria, I’d try to send out a team to find a big Caterpillar D10 Bulldozer. The person in the cab is about 12 feet off the ground and the blade is about 8 feet tall by 14 feet wide. If they got one of those within a couple of hours they could just bulldoze the hoard into a giant pile and take care of them with fire or something. Then I would dig a deep dry moat large enough for a dozer to fit in, so once a week it goes through the moat and cleans out any walkers that get caught. Also I don’t know why you don’t just get a half dozen people on the walls with .22 rifles mounted with scopes. .22 ammo should be very readily available (most outdoor places have boxes of 500+ readily available). In a week these people could probably thin the heard out by 80+%! This is a strategy they could have used back at the prison. MtM ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/54 "2015-11-09T20:07:16Z")
> [@simster](#): > > to the fans it seems shitty - only because we want him to both be alive (we like him) and dead (no way even ‘he’ should survive this particular mess). > > In story - it makes perfect sense - its a dangerous world - they were on a particularly dangerous run and alot of things (well, damn near everything) wen’t sideways - in story, you don’t always get to find out what happens to the people on these runs. I agree actually. I could see the characters never know what happens to Glenn, in theory, but the audience is a different story. ---
**Author:** ![stosh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@stosh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stosh)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/55 "2015-11-09T20:09:44Z")
McDeath, you are right about the .22’s. That would really cut down on the weight of the ammo too. That will never happen because it’s cooler to have a cannon. Look at Rick with his trusty six shooter. A nice little .22 or .25 would be great for close up work. You, also, would think they would try to get more appropriate vehicles. Anything would be better than what they get from the sponsor’s. They could, at least put something over the windows, like bars. Chicken wire would be a step in the right direction. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/56 "2015-11-09T20:20:11Z")
> [@Gothic](#): > > Those sewer tunnels could be a great escape route in case of a wall failing, too bad Aaron won’t tell them about it. One does hope they closed all the doors and traps on the way back. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/57 "2015-11-09T21:14:51Z")
So - what was Diane’s point of smacking the front gate? Showing zee army that she is not afraid, taunting them? Does she not realize that’s about all the extra stimulus that it might take to have them come crushing thru the weakest point of the perimeter? (of course she doesn’t but — ) ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/58 "2015-11-09T22:01:40Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Norman Reedus is warning us to play close attention to what’s happening on screen. Alexandra Breckenridge (Jessie) and Zachary Levi are on **Talking Dead**. I thought Maggie was inconsistent. The run up to Terminus, and her believing that Glenn was alive, and now not even a day into the worst day in Alexandrias history, she is already putting his name up on the in memory of. Declan ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/59 "2015-11-09T22:21:19Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > I thought Maggie was inconsistent. The run up to Terminus, and her believing that Glenn was alive, and now not even a day into the worst day in Alexandrias history, she is already putting his name up on the in memory of. > > Declan I don’t believe it was Maggie who wrote Glenn’s name on the wall. There were other people doing that. I believe Maggie later began removing Glenn’s name and Aaron was beginning to remove Nicholas’s name. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/60 "2015-11-10T00:20:23Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I don’t believe it was Maggie who wrote Glenn’s name on the wall. There were other people doing that. I believe Maggie later began removing Glenn’s name and Aaron was beginning to remove Nicholas’s name. this is correct - [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064.md?page=4)