# The Walking Dead; 6.05 "Now" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 9, 2015, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064 "2015-11-09T01:02:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Jack\_of\_Words](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jack\_of\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_of_Words)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/81 "2015-11-10T16:52:29Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I didn’t pay attention. Could it be passing between a seam in the wall panels? I thought it was a bullet hole. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/82 "2015-11-10T16:57:57Z")
> [@Edward\_The\_Head](#): > > So you’d like to have them constantly pushing against the wall all day and night? That seems like a sure case of allowing the wall to collapse at some point in time. It’s like Joshua and the Battle of Jerichhhhhhhooooo. Or, within the memory of many of the characters, that time the prison chain-link fence collapsed. ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_Hey_Paula)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/83 "2015-11-10T22:50:40Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Wow, I had to go back and rewatch that but you’re correct - it’s _incredibly_ misleading though, because the person painting Glenn’s name just happens to be a female of the same size and build as Maggie, with the same shoulder-length brown hair, whose face we never see: [screengrab here](http://i.imgur.com/KFSe0cg.jpg). But we know it’s not her because in the [next shot](http://i.imgur.com/sYQ9kQo.jpg), Aaron turns and sees Maggie, wearing a different outfit and her hair in a ponytail, over by a pond, and then follows her into the armory. 😕 That wasn’t a young woman painting Glen’s name on the wall, that was Carl, who desperately needs a haircut (well actually the hair department needs to throw that that wig they have him wearing). ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/84 "2015-11-10T23:10:54Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Last season Deanna was strong, decisive, smart and a good leader. She had a different point of view than Rick because she had a different experience but she was every bit his equal. This season she is a helpless idiot for no other reason than the show’s POV is Rick is the Best. I hate that. Deanna’s world fell apart very quickly. I don’t know how much time has passed, but it’s still very recently that her husband was killed. She’s still in mourning and/or shock. At the same time, zombies got into the development. So first her safe little community turns out not to be safe because of one wacko who left the gate open, _then_ she lost the love of her life. And then the Wolves came. Again, her sanctuary is not as safe as she thought it was. Right on the heels of the Wolves comes the Hoard. She’s effectively punch-drunk. > [@simster](#): > > So - what was Diane’s point of smacking the front gate? Showing zee army that she is not afraid, taunting them? Frustration. Have you ever been sitting in your living room, and somebody’s dog is barking incessantly? Or maybe your neighbour’s baby is crying for hours? Have you ever shouted ‘SHUT THE HELL UP!’ even though it’s a futile gesture that accomplishes nothing? Same thing. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/85 "2015-11-11T02:28:29Z")
I think that maybe the whole “zombie guts” thing only worked early on before decomposition took its toll on zombie noses. If a zombie has no nose, how does it smell? (I know, really really bad.) ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/86 "2015-11-11T03:00:43Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > It may be that someone’s in their garage fabricating a fence-clearer, but I imagine Rick would still argue that the walkers are keeping the Wolves away… I don’t think that’s what Rick meant when he said “they’re guarding us now”. I think he was being facetious. As in what do they need to “stand guard” against? The swarm of walkers 20 deep surrounding the walls? Although they should be patrolling the fence looking for any sort of breaks or weak points to shore up. > [@Gothic](#): > > Yes I understand the suspension of disbelief, but the fact that zombies are a finite quantity, and that you can significantly cull or come close to eliminating the local supply is not a difficult one to grasp. That’s the thing that bugs me about zombie movies. They end up everywhere. They always seem to be invisible and silent if they are out of the camera frame. And they always seem endless. I mean they are in the middle of rural Georgia or wherever. Where did tens of thousands of walkers come from? You would think every town in Georgia had a population density of Times Square. And FWIW, I think Rick’s plan was stupid. How hard would it have been to drive up a couple of trucks to block in the quarry? Oh I forgot. One minute, a 12 year old girl can pull off a walkers head with her bare hands. The next moment, they are tearing through reinforced concrete. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/87 "2015-11-11T07:09:36Z")
I thought the blood on the wall was dripping from something above as well, and just figured we wouldn’t find out who it was dripping from until next week (or later.) ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/88 "2015-11-11T08:33:49Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > I mean they are in the middle of rural Georgia or wherever. Where did tens of thousands of walkers come from? You would think every town in Georgia had a population density of Times Square. They’re in a suburb of Washington, DC. ---
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/89 "2015-11-11T14:53:59Z")
msmith537 Originally Posted by Shooby, not Gothic. Yes I understand the suspension of disbelief, but the fact that zombies are a finite quantity, and that you can significantly cull or come close to eliminating the local supply is not a difficult one to grasp. Shooby said that in post #67, not I. I am a bit more cynical, I think the writers give the audience lots of opportunities to be back seat drivers to entice discussion. It can be really frustrating, but it seems to have worked for them. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/90 "2015-11-11T17:39:58Z")
Finally watched it on the DVR. Meh. My wife and I both said, “finally something is happening!” when Maggie and Aaron were wading through the sewer. Then they turned around and went back. I think this show is at a point where they think we’ll watch it even if they just show a still shot of Rick’s face for an hour. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Now the blonde woman whose name I never learned has put down a woman who I gather killed herself (and rather inconsiderately did so in a way that would endanger others), and blondie is now making an emotional speech, I think the fifth such speech in the episode so far. Yeah, I laughed at this moment. Knife in eye socket. Turn around. “Thanks for you attention, people. Now let me monologue…” > [@msmith537](#): > > And FWIW, I think Rick’s plan was stupid. How hard would it have been to drive up a couple of trucks to block in the quarry? Totally agree and said this a couple episodes ago. Rick’s plan was among the worst possible options. I can’t believe nobody in the town is blaming him for the conundrum they’re in. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/91 "2015-11-11T17:46:41Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > Totally agree and said this a couple episodes ago. Rick’s plan was among the worst possible options. I can’t believe nobody in the town is blaming him for the conundrum they’re in. Why? Other than the fact it got most of the work party killed, the herder team is still missing, it left Alexandria opened to an attack that wiped out most of the population and they ended up surrounded by an endless hoard of zombies anyway, it went off flawlessly. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2015, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/92 "2015-11-12T00:23:53Z")
> [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](#): > > Like it gets mentioned here every week, I just hate how common logic is dropped for dramatic effect! > > If I was Alexandria, I’d try to send out a team to find a big Caterpillar D10 Bulldozer. The person in the cab is about 12 feet off the ground and the blade is about 8 feet tall by 14 feet wide. > > If they got one of those within a couple of hours they could just bulldoze the hoard into a giant pile and take care of them with fire or something. > > Then I would dig a deep dry moat large enough for a dozer to fit in, so once a week it goes through the moat and cleans out any walkers that get caught. > > Also I don’t know why you don’t just get a half dozen people on the walls with .22 rifles mounted with scopes. .22 ammo should be very readily available (most outdoor places have boxes of 500+ readily available). In a week these people could probably thin the heard out by 80+%! > > This is a strategy they could have used back at the prison. > > MtM In the fanfic “Mom’s Journal of the zombie years” on the Zombie Squad forum, the community “Sanctuary” has a specially customized anti-zombie vehicle named “Juicer”, a garbage truck with a dumpster welded to the lift arms in a “scoop” configuration, they can drive through a horde, filling up the dumpster, then tipping the walkers into the compactor body, and driving forward some more, once the compactor is full, the ram is cycled, crushing the walkers into a slurry, the slurry is then dumped into a disposal trench This is certainly feasible in TWD-verse And as far as the .22 rifle goes, an ideal rig would be a Ruger 10/22 with a suppressor, a reliable scope or red dot sight, and extended magazines, 25, 35, 50 or 100 rounders And what better sidearm than a suppressed Glock 9mm with the 33 round Glock 18 extended mags, sure, Rick’s .357 Magnum Colt Python is definitely cooler, and I’m a revolver guy, but the soulless “tactical Tupperware” Glock is far more practical in a zombie apocalypse, Colt Python capacity, 6 rounds, Glock 17, 17 rounds in standard capacity mags, 33 rounders available. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2015, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/93 "2015-11-12T02:18:31Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > And as far as the .22 rifle goes, an ideal rig would be a Ruger 10/22 with a suppressor, a reliable scope or red dot sight, and extended magazines, 25, 35, 50 or 100 rounders That would be nice. I’d be happy with the Marlin .22 rifle Father had. I think you could get 50 shorts in there. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2015, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/94 "2015-11-12T03:16:13Z")
See now\* this \*is a good-news gun thread! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2015, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/95 "2015-11-12T03:20:26Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > See now\* this \*is a good-news gun thread! Would you elaborate on that? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2015, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/96 "2015-11-12T12:36:51Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > That would be nice. > I’d be happy with the Marlin .22 rifle Father had. I think you could get 50 shorts in there. 🙂 Generally Marlin tube-feeder guns hold the following; 22" barrel (bolt action and lever action guns) 19 Long Rifle 21 Long 26 Shorts 22" barrel Model 60 semiauto tube feeder 19 LR 15" barrel Model 60\*\*; 14 LR \*\*shortened in the mid 1980’s so Marlin could still sell the Model 60 in Nanny Jersey, as the original long barreled Model 60 was considered an “assault weapon” by their draconian anti-gun laws due to it holding more than 15 rounds, even though it was a tube feeder and did not take detachable magazines ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2015, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/97 "2015-11-12T13:51:23Z")
So I exaggerated, sue me. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2015, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/98 "2015-11-12T17:26:20Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > In the fanfic “Mom’s Journal of the zombie years” on the Zombie Squad forum, the community “Sanctuary” has a specially customized anti-zombie vehicle named “Juicer”, a garbage truck with a dumpster welded to the lift arms in a “scoop” configuration, they can drive through a horde, filling up the dumpster, then tipping the walkers into the compactor body, and driving forward some more, once the compactor is full, the ram is cycled, crushing the walkers into a slurry, the slurry is then dumped into a disposal trench I forget, what ever happened to the governor’s tank? Put a big plow on the front of that thing. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2015, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/99 "2015-11-12T17:36:22Z")
Meh… Fighting ignorance and all that rot, no big deal 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2015, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064/100 "2015-11-12T17:43:13Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > Meh… Fighting ignorance and all that rot, no big deal 🙂 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-05-now-open-spoilers/737064.md?page=6)