# The Walking Dead; 6.08 "Start to Finish" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 30, 2015, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999 "2015-11-30T00:59:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/21 "2015-11-30T06:45:44Z")
> [@Patch](#): > > They should have blindfolded him and had someone carry him at least. Gagging him would have been more effective. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/22 "2015-11-30T06:48:46Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Tiny Tim. He was a fixture on _Laugh In_. Tiny Tim did a well known cover of Tiptoe Through the Tulips, but the version played in the episode was the 1929 original, by [Nick Lucas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Lucas). ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/23 "2015-11-30T06:49:48Z")
> [@Patch](#): > > Standard movie plotting. A deadly criminal has a hostage, turn over your weapons so he’s better armed and you’re defenseless. > > FFS, people. Learn to take the head shot. You should be good at it by now because of all the fucking zombies and that’s THE ONLY WAY TO KILL THEM. She is the only Doc, and I think one of the girls has a relationship of sorts with her. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/24 "2015-11-30T06:51:36Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > Gagging him would have been more effective. Nope, should have left him in that little safe room,and told him they’d be back. Now I think the Mom is gonna end up killing him, bit of forshadowing with her holstering her pistol. Declan ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/25 "2015-11-30T07:30:00Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > Tiny Tim did a well known cover of Tiptoe Through the Tulips, but the version played in the episode was the 1929 original, by [Nick Lucas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Lucas). Good call! The best part of this ep was the ants eating the cookie in the first few minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/26 "2015-11-30T13:21:43Z")
So, any comment from the people who said, a few weeks ago, that it was definitely Glenn’s voice saying “help” on the radio? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/27 "2015-11-30T13:33:17Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Tiny Tim. He was a fixture on _Laugh In_. > > Well, that was a whole lotta nuthin! Walkers break in. People hide in houses. At least Janeway is toast-- she was REALLY getting irritating. But shit, that was just completely devoid of content. Agreed. Especially for a mid-season finale. Running remains the number one threat for women in the apocalypse. They simply can’t do it and remain upright. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/28 "2015-11-30T14:05:02Z")
What happened to the tall older guy that was helping Rick fix the fence last episode? Last we saw him Tara and Rosita helped him up and they were all running away together, then he disappeared. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/29 "2015-11-30T14:05:08Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Why don’t they employ the “cover me in walker guts” trick as a matter of protocol when out and about? It seems to be foolproof. Why not use it when they were emptying the quarry, for example? Because that would make too much sense. ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/30 "2015-11-30T14:19:20Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > So, any comment from the people who said, a few weeks ago, that it was definitely Glenn’s voice saying “help” on the radio? On the Talking dead said it was Eugene. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/31 "2015-11-30T14:21:06Z")
> [@Patch](#): > > Standard movie plotting. A deadly criminal has a hostage, turn over your weapons so he’s better armed and you’re defenseless. > > FFS, people. Learn to take the head shot. You should be good at it by now because of all the fucking zombies and that’s THE ONLY WAY TO KILL THEM. The show is torn between its pretensions of cold nihilism, and its CBS-esque commitment to tired old tropes, stock characters, and plot formulas. The CBS side won out this season, so far. The AV Club has been on fire with [their TWD reviews:](http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/walking-dead-shuffles-through-its-midseason-finale-229017) > [@](#): > > The problem isn’t that Rick is a determined dumb-ass who’s big plays nearly always end in disaster. That’s not great, but it’s a legitimate character type, and, if handled well, could be a savage satire of hubris and entitlement. The problem is that despite his never ending series of fuck ups, Rick remains the go to hero for just about every character on the show. > > The only people who disagree with him either wind up dead or else are so infuriatingly stupid themselves that the disagreement carries no weight. I don’t know that I’ve ever seen a show that stacks the deck so much in favor of its “hero” and its sophomoric philosophical ideas. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/32 "2015-11-30T14:29:39Z")
> [@eenerms](#): > > On the Talking dead said it was Eugene. It was shown in the episode as Eugene looked at the approaching walkers - heard the radio that was on the ground (Daryl’s voice, I think) and he meekly said “help” into it. maybe he thought he was calling in an airstrike or something. Later - he nimbly picks a deadbolt with a paper clip - ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/33 "2015-11-30T14:51:10Z")
> [@Edward\_The\_Head](#): > > Morgan is an idiot. But then again so are the rest of them, why didn’t they kill him and at least take the chance of saving the doctor? Now she’s almost certain to die. Hell the doctor should have kicked him the the face when he was bending down. > . The doctor is an extra-big idiot and I yelled at her last night (she didn’t hear a word, bloody typical). She is one of the most important members of the community and should be taught to fight both walkers and humans. This is a necessary skill in this world, and someone won’t always be around to take care of you (and if they are, they’re likely to do stupid shit). Why didn’t she make sure the pet Wolf was restrained in a way that would make it impossible for him to attack anyone? She did psych, so she should know that someone can get really nutty and violent, quick. Four-point restraints (using chains), plus handcuffs. And then I would’ve “treated” the Wolf (not wasting real medicine on the guy, are you kidding?) and strolled over to tell Rick, Carol, Michonne, hell even CORL. Someone who isn’t a moron about the sanctity of life in that world. /rant I have general thoughts on the episode, but the whole wolf thing really ticked me off, as did the total passiveness (passivity?) of the doctor. Grow a spine! ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/34 "2015-11-30T15:05:51Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > Tiny Tim did a well known cover of Tiptoe Through the Tulips, but the version played in the episode was the 1929 original, by [Nick Lucas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Lucas). Which makes it unlikely that the kid would have a 45 rpm recording of it. What kid even has a vinyl record player anyway? [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZMHJX4b9bU) ---
**Author:** ![ElderSign](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eldersign/32/8263_2.png) [@ElderSign](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElderSign)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/35 "2015-11-30T15:23:30Z")
It was the best episode since Nick and Glenn fell down, but clearly not as great as the last good run the show had in Terminus. Carl vs Ron was entertaining. Anyway, I voted Loved It because everyone except Daryl, Sasha, and Abraham had stuff to do or say (did I miss Spencer?) and there was finally tension and real fear of death with The Lone Wolf and the walkers invading Alexandria. I was disappointed that the Alexandria “plot” STILL is going on. I was hoping the place would be overtaken last night, and we could move on. The people were never a threat to Rick’s group, Deanna never threw her weight around, and there was no deep, dark secret besides Jesse’s husband being an abuser. All the red herrings (like taping the interviews, secret conversations, etc) and distrust were a waste of time. Rick took over the town too easily. Waaay too much time spent here. I was never invested with ANYONE from Alexandria, so I am rooting for the walkers to feast upon their flesh. The coming attraction with Daryl vs the bikers is so much more intriguing and scary. Loved Sam’s music- thanks for the link. Pretty pathetic that Morgan and Carol had to duke it out over the wolf scum. This needs to be nipped in the bud quickly. Regarding the “deep philosophy” of the show of Rick always being the correct and justified hero or whatever, well it is Rick’s story. The whole thing has pretty much been from his POV from the beginning. He was weak when Shane was around, and after Lori died, but came into his own as a strong but fair leader after those guys tried to rape Carl. He’s a major reason why I watch the show. My only gripe is that there were hints that his crew was going to rebel against him last season but it was dropped. I’d like for Abraham, Glenn, Daryl, Carol or Michonne to question him more, but I don’t necessarily agree with AV Club’s scalding and pretentious take on the matter. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/36 "2015-11-30T15:30:34Z")
> [@GrumpyBunny](#): > > The doctor is an extra-big idiot and I yelled at her last night (she didn’t hear a word, bloody typical). > > She is one of the most important members of the community and should be taught to fight both walkers and humans. This is a necessary skill in this world, and someone won’t always be around to take care of you (and if they are, they’re likely to do stupid shit). > > Why didn’t she make sure the pet Wolf was restrained in a way that would make it impossible for him to attack anyone? She did psych, so she should know that someone can get really nutty and violent, quick. Four-point restraints (using chains), plus handcuffs. > > And then I would’ve “treated” the Wolf (not wasting real medicine on the guy, are you kidding?) and strolled over to tell Rick, Carol, Michonne, hell even CORL. Someone who isn’t a moron about the sanctity of life in that world. > > /rant > > I have general thoughts on the episode, but the whole wolf thing really ticked me off, as did the total passiveness (passivity?) of the doctor. Grow a spine! I’m OK with the doctor being conflicted about treating another human being. She’s still in a pre-ZA mindset. Morgan is the fuckhead who let 5 of The Wolves go with a gun, and then hid another one in a basement. Now it seems that, shockingly, both actions put members of the group in mortal danger. Morgan is worse than useless. I want to see him empaled on a pike, with rotting flesh and flapping jaw. ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/37 "2015-11-30T15:38:30Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’m OK with the doctor being conflicted about treating another human being. She’s still in a pre-ZA mindset. Morgan is the fuckhead who let 5 of The Wolves go with a gun, and then hid another one in a basement. Now it seems that, shockingly, both actions put members of the group in mortal danger. Morgan is worse than useless. I want to see him empaled on a pike, with rotting flesh and flapping jaw. This. I couldn’t agree with this more. If they all survive this, Morgan needs to be exiled. He put the entire community at risk. I really enjoyed the episode but was hoping for more. My hunch was that Abe would show up with the rocket launcher and take out some big chunks of the herd. I guess Negan’s gang has other plans. Was also hoping for a Glenn/Maggie reunion but that will have to wait…is it February yet? ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/38 "2015-11-30T16:32:50Z")
Two things about Deanna: 1. It sucks that they killed her off. She was a better leader than Rick. 2. It was very weird that they made a point to show she landed on a Saw blade and was not actually bit but then they never did anything with that and she died anyway. They usually excel at premieres and finales but this was pretty lame. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/39 "2015-11-30T16:33:53Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Two things about Deanna: > > 1. It sucks that they killed her off. She was a better leader than Rick. > > 2. It was very weird that they made a point to show she landed on a Saw blade and was not actually bit but then they never did anything with that and she died anyway. > They usually excel at premieres and finales but this was pretty lame. re: 2 - she fell on a blade around zombies - they later showed the zombie bite near the blade. ---
**Author:** ![Edward\_The\_Head](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce73a5/32.png) [@Edward\_The\_Head](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Edward_The_Head)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/40 "2015-11-30T16:40:05Z")
> [@GrumpyBunny](#): > > The doctor is an extra-big idiot and I yelled at her last night (she didn’t hear a word, bloody typical). > > Why didn’t she make sure the pet Wolf was restrained in a way that would make it impossible for him to attack anyone? She did psych, so she should know that someone can get really nutty and violent, quick. Four-point restraints (using chains), plus handcuffs. I think I might have yelled at her to kick the wolf in the face when he bent over. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’m OK with the doctor being conflicted about treating another human being. She’s still in a pre-ZA mindset. Morgan is the fuckhead who let 5 of The Wolves go with a gun, and then hid another one in a basement. Now it seems that, shockingly, both actions put members of the group in mortal danger. Morgan is worse than useless. I want to see him empaled on a pike, with rotting flesh and flapping jaw. I’m not too upset thinking a doctor doesn’t want to hurt someone else, especially in Alexandria, but Morgan should know better. I get he doesn’t want to kill, but he’s getting other people killed. Hell, the damn guy said he was going to kill them. When someone says they want all of you to die, fuck em. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999.md?page=3)