# The Walking Dead; 6.08 "Start to Finish" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 30, 2015, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999 "2015-11-30T00:59:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![xizor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xizor/32/102_2.png) [@xizor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xizor)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/41 "2015-11-30T17:36:40Z")
My biggest laugh was Carl to Ron: “You have to admit, your dad was kind of an asshole” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/42 "2015-11-30T19:52:13Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > That kid going “mom…mom…mom…mom” needs to get stabbed right in the god damn eyeball. I propose we name this kid “BPITA” (Big Pain In The Ass), he’s actually _less_ useful and more of a risk than either LPITA or fuckwit Gabriel… ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/43 "2015-11-30T19:59:48Z")
So that’s back again? Why haven’t they just done that until now? Wouldn’t it be easier to live permanently in zombie guts, than all that they have endured so far? Why did they release all those zombies, when they could just have covered themselves in guts and gone on stealth killing missions into the gulch instead? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/44 "2015-11-30T20:10:59Z")
Latest Peterman’s catalog item: **The Zombie Pancho.** Hand crafted by residence of Alexandria, the Zombie Pancho is a must have for survivors of the Zombie Apocalypse. With just enough Zombie guts to disguise your human smell, the Zombie Pancho fits easily over your head and comes in a variety of sizes. Color: Blood Red. \*Customers who bought this item also bought: The Urban Sombrero; The Zombie Baby Bjorn. \* ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/45 "2015-11-30T20:12:28Z")
> [@Jamicat](#): > > \ > Does anyone look where their running, did they forget to tie their shoes? > Last time I fell down, I might gotten some dust on my hands and britches…when I was like 8. > I don’t recall broken bones, lacerations or head trauma falling on flat ground. > Not that it cant happen, its just unusual or these people to keep cutting themselves on any surface that comes near them at bump speed. :rolleyes: A fall to the flat ground from a standing height caused the death of [Natasha Richardson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natasha_Richardson#Injury_and_death). ---
**Author:** ![Banksiaman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banksiaman/32/3334_2.png) [@Banksiaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banksiaman)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/46 "2015-11-30T22:25:32Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > Which makes it unlikely that the kid would have a 45 rpm recording of it. What kid even has a vinyl record player anyway? > > … Come the apocalypse, those of us who held on to our wind-up gramophones will be laughing [and tapping our toes], while you try to hook your precious IPod to a car battery. * * * “At the zombie Dance nobody moves, They tap their toes, wiggle their ears to get into the groove, yeah.” The Cramps, _Zombie Dance_. ---
**Author:** ![PapSett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ecc23a/32.png) [@PapSett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PapSett)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/47 "2015-11-30T23:50:09Z")
In the scene from the next episode, when Daryl, Abe & Sasha run into the bikers who demanded they get out of the truck, WHY THE HELL did they DO IT?? Why didn’t Daryl put the pedal to the metal and run over the damned bikers? They sure as hell wouldn’t have been expecting it. Just calmly getting out of the truck didn’t seem like what the bad-asses that they are would do. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/48 "2015-11-30T23:53:27Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > What kid even has a vinyl record player anyway? A kid whose dad was an abusive cheap asshole. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/49 "2015-12-01T00:11:43Z")
> [@PapSett](#): > > In the scene from the next episode, when Daryl, Abe & Sasha run into the bikers who demanded they get out of the truck, WHY THE HELL did they DO IT?? Why didn’t Daryl put the pedal to the metal and run over the damned bikers? They sure as hell wouldn’t have been expecting it. Probably had something to do with all the guys with assault rifles in the road. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/50 "2015-12-01T00:48:58Z")
> [@Banksiaman](#): > > Come the apocalypse, those of us who held on to our wind-up gramophones will be laughing [and tapping our toes], while you try to hook your precious IPod to a car battery. It won’t connect! It won’t connect! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/51 "2015-12-01T04:38:46Z")
…This was pretty terrible. Every scene that wasn’t with Rick’s group was TERRIBLE. They head shot walkers literally all the time… you’re telling me neither women, especially the battle hardened Rosita wouldn’t just cap the wolf the moment he demanded the guns? That was acceptable for the Alexandrians to fall for, not our core group. I assume the Wolf is going to try to get the doctor back to his people because, well, doctors are useful even if you do seem to be nihilists. I don’t get the hate for Morgan. I get the disagreeing with his PA philosophy, but the hate… Come on. Gabriel is far more dangerous and destructive to the group. Morgan just needs to be kept out of situations with human to human conflict. You don’t sideline your second best Zombie killing ninja. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/52 "2015-12-01T04:39:43Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > She is the only Doc, and I think one of the girls has a relationship of sorts with her. > > Declan Yeah, great. So, because she’s the only doctor, and you have a relationship with her, you hand over your weapons to someone whose only aim in entering your compound in the first place was to kill as many people as possible. Fucking genius. As someone noted upthread, if the writers and producers had any courage at all, they would at least have had the guy kill all of them, including the unconscious Coral and Morgan, immediately. It was complete bullshit. Stupid, stupid characters produced by lazy, lazy writers. Having said that, audiences for the show are, on average, over twice as large as they were in Season 1, so lazy, network-style writing apparently has its advantages for the people who run the show. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/53 "2015-12-01T05:20:23Z")
_Z Nation_ compares more favourably with each week. And judging from the next-season peek: The group will become entangled with yet another psychotic gang leader who I think was in the comics and did nasty permanent stuff to the main characters, i.e. maimings and killings. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/54 "2015-12-01T06:40:30Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > _Z Nation_ compares more favourably with each week. Lovin that show more and more, seriously it might be a humerous light hearted take on the Z apocolypse, but between the liberty bell or the cheese, I don’t know which I laughed at harder. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/55 "2015-12-01T06:42:06Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Yeah, great. So, because she’s the only doctor, and you have a relationship with her, you hand over your weapons to someone whose only aim in entering your compound in the first place was to kill as many people as possible. It was the only reason I could think of. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/56 "2015-12-01T11:03:31Z")
Yeah, as mentioned across many posts, it’s gone beyond which one has the stupid ball this week, and into the Fear The Walking Dead territory, which was “Who’s the least stupid this week? Which one do I want to die the most? Can they use any more cliches?” Right, Let’s get to it. 1. Falling down. Did they spray the place with vegetable oil before the zombies broke in? Because **everybody** fell down. Like an olde time horror movie. 1. Record player. The little turd? Yeah. Just stick that record player on full volume and stick it on repeat. Ignore being told to switch it off. Local morons, just don’t switch off that sound of noise attracting more zombies. Leave it be. Oh yes, AND WHERE DID YOU GET THAT OLDE TIME MUSIC? 1. Sawblade. I thought she wasn’t bitten. It was a sawblade wound. Otherwise why show that? Apparently I’ve been told she was bitten last episode. 1. Meatsuits. Why aren’t people wearing these all the time? “Zombie attack? Get the meatsuits out.” 1. Doctor and Wolves off for a little walk. In the middle of a town full of zombies, they just strolled on out. Why aren’t the rest of them strolling on out after them into this tranquil and zombie free street.? 1. Daryl and Co. Would have been handy to go and turn up sometime within the three days the zombies were blocked up outside. I mean Glenn hid under a dumpster for about a day. 1. Who do I want to die most? Yep, its into the Fear the walking dead, and the disappointment that the kid didn’t die. Or the other kid. Or morgan. 1. The backup plan. Yeah. So in a zombie apocalypse, why no lines of defense, fallback point, shit, a treehouse to climb up and pull up the ladder. These idiot monsters can be eluded by hiding under a dumpster, fallback point being a garage or something? It’s a pity, it wasn’t a bad season up till this one. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/57 "2015-12-01T15:32:55Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > He’s going to do something either good or bad, there’s too much attention being paid to him. Interesting music the little guy listens to in his room. > [@Shakester](#): > > Tiny Tim did a well known cover of Tiptoe Through the Tulips, but the version played in the episode was the 1929 original, by [Nick Lucas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Lucas). Maybe I’ve been playing too much Fallout 4 lately (OK, I definitely have), but that music instantly gave me a total Fallout vibe. Nothing goes together better than a post-apocalyptic setting, scratchy old-timey music, and killin’ shit. > [@Plumpudding](#): > > So that’s back again? Why haven’t they just done that until now? Wouldn’t it be easier to live permanently in zombie guts, than all that they have endured so far? Why did they release all those zombies, when they could just have covered themselves in guts and gone on stealth killing missions into the gulch instead? Because living in zombie guts would be gross and unpleasant. Nobody would ever _want_ to do that; it’s a last-ditch resort kind of thing. So anyway, now everyone here hates Gabriel and Morgan and wants them both dead. Yet why do I have this nagging feeling that if that were to happen they would suddenly be complaining loudly for… some other reason? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_of\_Words](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jack\_of\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_of_Words)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/58 "2015-12-01T15:44:22Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Because living in zombie guts would be gross and unpleasant. Nobody would ever _want_ to do that; it’s a last-ditch resort kind of thing. And they’d have to be vewwy, vewwy quiet all the time, and shuffle around like walkers, not doing anything to draw attention. Oh, and it might rain. I’d just been introducing someone to the show with the first few episodes (on Netflix) last week. The one time they’d done this before, they were very cautious about skin contact with zombie guts (there’s no reason they’d be any less cautious now, is there?) - and they were busted as soon as it started raining. That said, they have human ingenuity to their advantage and plenty of time and material for experimental prototypes - surely one of them has the skills to invent a rain-proof, smell-free, all-body, sound-absorbing, zombie-guts-suit? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/59 "2015-12-01T16:43:11Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > So anyway, now everyone here hates Gabriel and Morgan and wants them both dead. Yet why do I have this nagging feeling that if that were to happen they would suddenly be complaining loudly for… some other reason? Surely no one would complain if Gabriel shuffled off the mortal coil? The other zombies would also believe him to be a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/60 "2015-12-01T16:47:10Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Because living in zombie guts would be gross and unpleasant. Nobody would ever _want_ to do that; it’s a last-ditch resort kind of thing. But they could at least do it in dire situations. Like a few weeks ago, in the episode where Glen and the others were running from the horde after the aborted effort at herding walkers. Once they got into the town, they could have grabbed a walker or two and spread guts over themselves and made it out. Better than being holed up in a pet store, or standing on top of a dumpster amid a sea of zombies. > [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > I’d just been introducing someone to the show with the first few episodes (on Netflix) last week. The one time they’d done this before, they were very cautious about skin contact with zombie guts (there’s no reason they’d be any less cautious now, is there?) - and they were busted as soon as it started raining. Well, how careful you have to be about skin contact appears to be little more than a matter of convenience for the writers in this show. It’s just another annoying inconsistency, like the behavior of the zombies themselves. Sometimes, in the absence of noise or other stimuli, they will eventually wander off and allow people to escape. At other times, you can remain as quiet as a mouse and they will still stay clawing at the gate or the door forever. I re-watched the Season 1 episode where they first used the zombie guts as camouflage last week. Another thing i noticed, which i had forgotten, was that when the rain washed the guts off, and the walkers started chasing Glen and Rick, the walkers actually climbed over a chain-link fence to continue the pursuit, rather than just crowd up against the fence. Retaining that ability in the show certainly would have changed plenty of situations, including the prison and Sanctuary. In that same episode, other walkers used broken chunks of concrete to bash on the glass door or the department store. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999.md?page=4)