# The Walking Dead; 6.08 "Start to Finish" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 30, 2015, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999 "2015-11-30T00:59:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/101 "2015-12-02T22:08:38Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > I snipped the rest. > Don’t you find it out of character for a nihilistic murder-gang guy to take one gun, one hostage and then leave into a horde of zombies? Why didn’t he just do a Metallica, (try his best to)kill em all(he could use the doc as a plot-armor meat shield), stay and wait for the zombies to leave, then loot everything he can carry and try to run off to kill more? > > Characters in this show live in chronic opposite day. The Wolf had no idea the town was over run by walkers IIRC. He was using the doc as a hostage to leave Alexandria. He thought he was going outside to deal with Alexandrians, not a herd of walkers. I’d also like to point out that Tara and the Doc had a bit of a “thing” a few episodes back, so that may be why she handed over her gun so quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/102 "2015-12-02T22:10:54Z")
Early on Rick had a hard time and barely survived a horde \*inside \*a **tank**. Nowadays, Glen survives a horde first laying underneath his hate-friend protégé getting ripped apart, then underneath a garbage container on wheels, all while screaming his lungs out. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/103 "2015-12-02T22:13:24Z")
> [@SykoSkotty](#): > > The Wolf had no idea the town was over run by walkers IIRC. He was using the doc as a hostage to leave Alexandria. He thought he was going outside to deal with Alexandrians, not a herd of walkers. > > I’d also like to point out that Tara and the Doc had a bit of a “thing” a few episodes back, so that may be why she handed over her gun so quickly. Yeah, but why didn’t he kill everyone before running out? Two were passed out, one had a gun to her head and two had just given up their guns for absolutely no reason. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/104 "2015-12-02T22:39:13Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > Yeah, but why didn’t he kill everyone before running out? Two were passed out, one had a gun to her head and two had just given up their guns for absolutely no reason. Because then they’d be dead. The writers wanted the Wolf to escape, but not to lose 5 main characters, so they had the character they established as an unrepentant murder cultist murder no one and quietly exit stage left. Related: TWD writers aren’t very good at plotting. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/105 "2015-12-02T22:44:54Z")
But sometimes they are very good at plodding! ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/106 "2015-12-02T23:13:10Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > Because then they’d be dead. The writers wanted the Wolf to escape, but not to lose 5 main characters, so they had the character they established as an unrepentant murder cultist murder no one and quietly exit stage left. > > Related: TWD writers aren’t very good at plotting. When I said out of character I meant the character, not the writers. This is episode was very in character for the writers. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/107 "2015-12-03T00:06:46Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > But sometimes they are very good at plodding! It must be a nice crutch, knowing that a third of each episode is allocated to zombie-gore-effect-of-the-week, and sweaty monologues about Who We Are and How Things Are Now…the rest is filler. > [@Plumpudding](#): > > When I said out of character I meant the character, not the writers. This is episode was very in character for the writers. I figured, just grousing at a lousy (half) finale to a disappointing (half) season. Apologies. Someday I’ll learn that this show does premieres better than it does anything else, and stop hoping for sustained improvement. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/108 "2015-12-03T02:03:14Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > _Z Nation_ compares more favourably with each week. > [@Human\_Action](#): > > And how! Watching the recent murder-mystery episode, I couldn’t help but think that TWD would never have the courage to play around with the show’s conventions and try something fresh like that. It’s a victim of its own success, afraid to shake up a stale, repetitive status quo. You’re joking right? I watched the pilot of Z Nation but couldn’t get over the godawful acting. There’s a reason The Walking Dead is the [top-rated show on cable](http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/12/02/cable-weekly-top-25-nov-23-29-2015/) (with this week’s episode scoring a rating in the 18-49 demographic higher than even Monday Night Football, and an overall 14 million viewers). Sure it has some good gore and effects, but it’s also a really well-acted, _character-driven_ show. It isn’t meant to be an answer to “what’s the most efficient way of dispatching lots of zombies?” It’s about these characters coping with an unimaginable nightmare every day, that for them never ends. Yeah, sometimes that means taking liberties with practical logistics and situations that end up being a little too convenient, and characters doing “stupid” things that are easy to criticize while sitting in a comfortable armchair and not actually fighting for one’s life. While I wouldn’t defend every instance of that (like Glenn, which I agree was too much suspension of disbelief), on the whole it’s not nearly as outrageous as some make it out to be either. It’s not the _point_ of the show, so getting hung up on those little details is missing the point. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/109 "2015-12-03T02:17:57Z")
Let us hope that when Morgan wakes up, he says, “You should have killed him.” :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/110 "2015-12-03T02:29:40Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > You’re joking right? I watched the pilot of Z Nation but couldn’t get over the godawful acting. If you stopped at the pilot, you very likely deprived yourself of hours of solid entertainment, though of course personal standards vary. > [@](#): > > There’s a reason The Walking Dead is the [top-rated show on cable](http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/12/02/cable-weekly-top-25-nov-23-29-2015/) (with this week’s episode scoring a rating in the 18-49 demographic higher than even Monday Night Football, and an overall 14 million viewers). There are probably numerous reasons, including viewer indifference to plot quality. But hey, that indifference hasn’t impacted the porn industry, either. > [@](#): > > Sure it has some good gore and effects, but it’s also a really well-acted, _character-driven_ show. It isn’t meant to be an answer to “what’s the most efficient way of dispatching lots of zombies?” It’s about these characters coping with an unimaginable nightmare every day, that for them never ends. Yeah, sometimes that means taking liberties with practical logistics and situations that end up being a little too convenient, and characters doing “stupid” things that are easy to criticize while sitting in a comfortable armchair and not actually fighting for one’s life. While I wouldn’t defend every instance of that (like Glenn, which I agree was too much suspension of disbelief), on the whole it’s not nearly as outrageous as some make it out to be either. It’s not the _point_ of the show, so getting hung up on those little details is missing the point. I don’t think I’m “hung up” as such, but I do intend to keep mocking the show for its stupidities because that helps make up for the deficits in its writing, bringing the aggregate entertainment value to a level sufficient to justify the time invested in watching and commenting. That entertainment value is the show’s _only_ point, as far as I’m concerned, and this is true of all fictional television shows and films. As for Glenn’s survival, I said it earlier: yeah, whatever. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/111 "2015-12-03T03:08:15Z")
Add me to the list that they should have shot the wolf in the head. Thirty one seconds into this [John Wayne montage](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btmThcJWmOg). ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/112 "2015-12-03T14:51:45Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > Yeah, but why didn’t he kill everyone before running out? Two were passed out, one had a gun to her head and two had just given up their guns for absolutely no reason. I think he was wounded, running on adrenaline and his only thought was to escape. Keep in mind, during the Wolves attack, he hid in Morgan’s house. I don’t think he has any idea as to how many wolves are still alive and whether or not they were killed during the attack. I think his main focus is to get out of Alexandria with his hostage, meet up with his pack, then plot another attack on Alexandria. It’s at that point that he’ll “kill everyone” like he told Morgan. Also - perhaps he was conserving ammo in order to use it outside if he had to. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/113 "2015-12-04T02:26:25Z")
> [@SuperNelson](#): > > You may be right. But if so, Maggie almost gave Glenn up for dead because he was a few hours late for dinner. Yeah, but the people he was out with came home without him and they were concerned that he never gave a signal that he said he would. That’s why she was upset after such a short time. I’m sure hormones didn’t help. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/114 "2015-12-04T02:28:56Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > Early on Rick had a hard time and barely survived a horde \*inside \*a **tank**. Nowadays, Glen survives a horde first laying underneath his hate-friend protégé getting ripped apart, then underneath a garbage container on wheels, all while screaming his lungs out. Getting under the dumpster was a little bit of a stretch, I’ll grant, but once under, he stabbed the nearest zombies in the head and used them to hide from the rest of the horde, which I actually thought was a pretty clever move by the writers. A slightly different yet similar take on zombie camouflage and pets keeping walkers at bay. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/115 "2015-12-04T12:17:45Z")
Considering zombies just tore down a church, I can’t accept underneath a dumpster as adequate shelter, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/116 "2015-12-04T15:29:02Z")
Walkers didn’t tear down anything. The tower fell because of the damage it sustained from the molotov cocktail fire and when the Wolf drove the semi truck into it. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/117 "2015-12-04T20:08:49Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > Considering zombies just tore down a church, I can’t accept underneath a dumpster as adequate shelter, sorry. Underneath a dumpster and behind several dead zombies shielding him. You can believe that zombies have risen from the dead and are roaming the earth, but not that Glen could have found that hiding place in light of all of his previous experience escaping all manner of dire situations? To each his or her own I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/118 "2015-12-04T20:16:17Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > You can believe that zombies have risen from the dead and are roaming the earth, but not that Glen could have found that hiding place in light of all of his previous experience escaping all manner of dire situations? A very good point, Sir or Madame. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MoonMoon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moonmoon/32/2959_2.png) [@MoonMoon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoonMoon)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/119 "2015-12-04T20:23:48Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Underneath a dumpster and behind several dead zombies shielding him. > > You can believe that zombies have risen from the dead and are roaming the earth, but not that Glen could have found that hiding place in light of all of his previous experience escaping all manner of dire situations? To each his or her own I suppose. You can accept the basic premise of a story and still expect the writer(s) to act consistently and fairly within the world they’ve created. Otherwise, sci-fi, fantasy and horror wouldn’t exist. TWD is plagued by lazy and bad writing. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999/120 "2015-12-04T21:05:10Z")
> [@MoonMoon](#): > > You can accept the basic premise of a story and still expect the writer(s) to act consistently and fairly within the world they’ve created. Otherwise, sci-fi, fantasy and horror wouldn’t exist. > > TWD is plagued by lazy and bad writing. Glen has always been shown to be a very savvy survivor. He’s come away from quite a few situations that almost resulted in his death throughout the duration of the show. From the first time we meet him in season one he’s shown to be quite adept at surviving this world. All of a sudden you find it hard to believe that he found a way out of yet another dire situation? Its totally consistent with Glen’s character as depicted thus far. If they showed Eugene escaping such a situation like that, then that would be inconsistent. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-08-start-to-finish-open-spoilers/738999.md?page=7)