# The Walking Dead; 6.12 "Not Tomorrow Yet" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 6, 2016, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161 "2016-03-06T23:40:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/21 "2016-03-07T17:29:26Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I like what that guy on _Talking Dead_ said Morgan was building-- a cage to put himself in! That was my hope, as well. I’m hoping it’s a cage for Jesus to dance in. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/22 "2016-03-07T18:01:03Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Rick’s group also only asked for a one time payment as far as i know, not an ongoing weekly payment of half everything. Also, Rick’s group will trade for whatever they want, not demand it as tribute. ---
**Author:** ![Edward\_The\_Head](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce73a5/32.png) [@Edward\_The\_Head](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Edward_The_Head)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/23 "2016-03-07T18:01:15Z")
I’m surprised that there’s only two sides presenting anything about the raid, Rick’s we go in now, and Mogan’s we shouldn’t kill. Did no one ask how they knew for sure the Hilltop people weren’t lying about the other group? Did no one ask about scouting it out first for a day or two to see how many people there might be? Overall I liked the episode, just wonder why no one asks the questions. Nice to see Gabriel ‘man up’ too. ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/24 "2016-03-07T18:12:21Z")
> [@Edward\_The\_Head](#): > > I’m surprised that there’s only two sides presenting anything about the raid, Rick’s we go in now, and Mogan’s we shouldn’t kill. Did no one ask how they knew for sure the Hilltop people weren’t lying about the other group? Did no one ask about scouting it out first for a day or two to see how many people there might be? I had the same thoughts. You’d think by now that someone would have enough brains to ask these questions. The fight scenes and infiltration were great. > [@Lightnin](#): > > Abe: “I was only with you because I thought you were the last woman on Earth.” > > Damn, dude. I’m surprised she didn’t frag him during the raid. That was harsh, even for Abraham, and it’s no “dolphin smooth”. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/25 "2016-03-07T18:54:37Z")
> [@Edward\_The\_Head](#): > > I’m surprised that there’s only two sides presenting anything about the raid, Rick’s we go in now, and Mogan’s we shouldn’t kill. Did no one ask how they knew for sure the Hilltop people weren’t lying about the other group? Did no one ask about scouting it out first for a day or two to see how many people there might be? > > Overall I liked the episode, just wonder why no one asks the questions. Nice to see Gabriel ‘man up’ too. Confirm? Daryl, Sasha, and Abraham can confirm Neegan’s methodology as they had an earlier run in with the group. Furthermore, why would a Hilltop member attempt to assassinate the Hilltop leader unless compelled by some reason? Morgan at this point is flat out insane. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/26 "2016-03-07T19:11:22Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Confirm? Daryl, Sasha, and Abraham can confirm Neegan’s methodology as they had an earlier run in with the group. Yeah the talky biker said “Everything you own now belongs to Negan.” Those bikers were clearly bad guys and they identified themselves as Negan’s people. Also, **Negan** has only one **E**. Cite: comics. ---
**Author:** ![Edward\_The\_Head](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce73a5/32.png) [@Edward\_The\_Head](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Edward_The_Head)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/27 "2016-03-07T19:25:04Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Confirm? Daryl, Sasha, and Abraham can confirm Neegan’s methodology as they had an earlier run in with the group. Furthermore, why would a Hilltop member attempt to assassinate the Hilltop leader unless compelled by some reason? How do we know the Hilltop leader is telling the truth at all? There’s been one run in with Neegan’s group, but almost every group has said to one another at one point said give me your stuff. It’s possible that the two groups DID have a trade agreement and Hilltop said screw it we’re not doing it any more and then Neegan’s group kidnapped someone. Maybe they never would have done that have Hilltop kept to their agreement. Even so, who goes on a kill em all type raid without looking to see what’s there? It’s crazy to just watch for a couple of hours then go in at 3am. I’m mostly on Rick’s side here, but a straight up attack is really asking for trouble, and it looks like they found it. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/28 "2016-03-07T19:51:22Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I’m hoping it’s a cage for Jesus to dance in. He’ll escape it in 3 days. ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_Hey_Paula)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/29 "2016-03-07T20:14:16Z")
One of the actors playing the sentries who received “Gregory’s” head is an acquaintance of mine. The last time I saw him, we were doing no-budget Shakespeare together, and now he’s getting killed on one of the most popular shows on TV. I’m so proud of him! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/30 "2016-03-07T20:19:01Z")
> [@simster](#): > > He’ll escape it in 3 days. I’ll just step back out of the Lightning Bolt blast radius…:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/31 "2016-03-07T21:20:56Z")
> [@Edward\_The\_Head](#): > > How do we know the Hilltop leader is telling the truth at all? There’s been one run in with Neegan’s group, but almost every group has said to one another at one point said give me your stuff. It’s possible that the two groups DID have a trade agreement and Hilltop said screw it we’re not doing it any more and then Neegan’s group kidnapped someone. Maybe they never would have done that have Hilltop kept to their agreement. > > Even so, who goes on a kill em all type raid without looking to see what’s there? It’s crazy to just watch for a couple of hours then go in at 3am. I’m mostly on Rick’s side here, but a straight up attack is really asking for trouble, and it looks like they found it. Because Negan’s henchmen straight up told Daryl’s group that their MO was to kill one as an introduction. This is corroborated by the Hilltop group. Whereas Jesus had the jump on Rick and Daryl and could have killed them both. The evidence is quite compelling that Negan’s group is best dealt with violently and when one has initiative. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/32 "2016-03-07T21:57:48Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > Also, **Negan** has only one **E**. Cite: comics. I can’t believe you didn’t spoiler box that. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/33 "2016-03-07T22:09:07Z")
> [@Edward\_The\_Head](#): > > I’m surprised that there’s only two sides presenting anything about the raid, Rick’s we go in now, and Mogan’s we shouldn’t kill. Did no one ask how they knew for sure the Hilltop people weren’t lying about the other group? Did no one ask about scouting it out first for a day or two to see how many people there might be? Again, Rick the Brilliant Tactician’s brilliant plan is to go sneaking around a concrete bunker with only minimal intel and hope for the best. It’s a bunker with one exit (well, 2 including where the secret motorcycle guy came out of). What would have been wrong with lighting a drum full of diesel on fire inside the building, fill the place up with smoke and then shoot anyone who came out? Also, why pair up Glen and the other FNG who never killed anyone? And maybe if Maggie and Carol spent less time bickering like a couple of school girls and being absolutely useless on “perimeter”, they wouldn’t have got themselves captured. > [@Edward\_The\_Head](#): > > Overall I liked the episode, just wonder why no one asks the questions. Nice to see Gabriel ‘man up’ too. I like that Gabriel is now a mean motherfuckin’ servant of God ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/34 "2016-03-08T00:26:19Z")
Isn’t “make them come to you”/choose the battlefield generally accepted as a good rule in battle? ---
**Author:** ![BrassyPhrase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea666f/32.png) [@BrassyPhrase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrassyPhrase)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/35 "2016-03-08T00:28:44Z")
My thoughts: Morgan: I think he’s building a cell. Like a real jail cell. Like the one the cheesemaker held him in? So a jail where you don’t have to do frontier-style justice. I feel he’s hoping THAT can be his contribution. “I don’t want to kill, but maybe, given some time…people can be ok.” Rosita: I SOOOOOO thought that Abraham would die by friendly fire (Rosita) in this ep. No one does ballistics in the Zombpocalypse. Gabriel: Had a very Jules moment. One thing I did think, when Ethan (?) and Glenn were ran down the hall and ended up shooting thru the door, I thought “shooting blindly thru a door is not a good idea in a place you don’t know”. I really expected to see one of our gang accidentally shot outside it. ---
**Author:** ![BrassyPhrase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea666f/32.png) [@BrassyPhrase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrassyPhrase)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/36 "2016-03-08T00:32:45Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Isn’t “make them come to you”/choose the battlefield generally accepted as a good rule in battle? Well, they DID choose the battlefield. (Our gang.) Walls don’t hold forever and they are low on food. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/37 "2016-03-08T02:02:49Z")
> [@Edward\_The\_Head](#): > > I’m surprised that there’s only two sides presenting anything about the raid, Rick’s we go in now, and Mogan’s we shouldn’t kill. Did no one ask how they knew for sure the Hilltop people weren’t lying about the other group? Did no one ask about scouting it out first for a day or two to see how many people there might be? > > Overall I liked the episode, just wonder why no one asks the questions. Nice to see Gabriel ‘man up’ too. They knew the hilltop people weren’t lying because they had run into the saviors before and they did the exact same “we are going to kill one of you and take everything you have” thing to them. Well, tried to. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/38 "2016-03-08T02:07:38Z")
> [@BrassyPhrase](#): > > Morgan: I think he’s building a cell. Like a real jail cell. Like the one the cheesemaker held him in? So a jail where you don’t have to do frontier-style justice. I feel he’s hoping THAT can be his contribution. “I don’t want to kill, but maybe, given some time…people can be ok.” For sure. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/39 "2016-03-08T02:10:51Z")
How many did Daryl kill with the rocket launcher at the start of the season? Nine? I counted 21 of Negan’s able-bodied men killed this episode. > [@Edward\_The\_Head](#): > > Even so, who goes on a kill em all type raid without looking to see what’s there? This sounds like a rhetorical question, but of course there’s a literal answer: The Governor does that. We even saw him give the same “Kill them all” speech beforehand, just like Rick. The difference is that the Governor brought a friggin’ tank and still just about all of his people were killed or turned traitor. By contrast, Rick’s group came away with only a single scratch for Abraham. Oh yeah, and of course the stupid women couldn’t even just stand still without fucking things up. What’s up with that? Bad writing, lazy writing, or stupid writing? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/40 "2016-03-08T03:16:44Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > The stupidity knows no end. We take a pregnant chick like Maggie along because, well, she wants to, but she is such a liability that we have to leave behind a quality fighter like Carol to guard her and that causes them both to get caught and the whole group is in trouble. It is not like she is trundling her tummy around in a wheel barrow. The problem is exactly what happened, someone will be overly concerned about her and screw up. They will “drop their weapons” next week. That is immensely stupid. Having just killed a bunch of the bad guys, they cannot expect mercy. Who is on the radio? Where is she? If they do have prisoners, they are close. Either fall back to the building or run to the cars and get the hell out. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161.md?page=3)