# The Walking Dead; 6.12 "Not Tomorrow Yet" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 6, 2016, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161 "2016-03-06T23:40:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/61 "2016-03-09T03:11:40Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Good point! > > There have been pictures of the Negan actor released, and he is a guy. She _is_ Neegan, a misleadin’ Neegan. A make-believin’ Neegan. A chameleon Neegan. And so forth. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/62 "2016-03-09T04:32:05Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Good point! > > There have been pictures of the Negan actor released, and he is a guy. Well, she sounds hideous. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/63 "2016-03-09T05:44:55Z")
Well, she’s a guy, so… ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/64 "2016-03-09T05:57:33Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > - Abe and Tara both said they were leaving and not coming back after the raid. Where are they planning on going? I don’t think Abe meant he was leaving Alexandria. Just that he’s leaving Rosita, because it turns out she isn’t the last woman on earth after all. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/65 "2016-03-09T06:13:19Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Well, she sounds hideous. Is she wearing khaki? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/66 "2016-03-09T06:25:28Z")
There was a moment in the episode, in the church, where they were discussing the Saviors, and Rick said, “Jesus found us.” I had to respond with, “usually, people find him.” ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/67 "2016-03-09T17:13:07Z")
I did not like this episode at all. The characterization is getting weaker and weaker. Before this was masked better with more tense drama, but even in the raid sequence it was not tense at all. It didn’t feel like anyone was in any real danger, despite the stupidest plan to date. And it was a truly stupid plan. Maggie going along and getting put in danger was telegraphed like crazy. Carol having moments of reflection are out of character completely. Abe is turning into an asshole for no reason. The priest brings a fucking bolt action rifle. The best part of this episode was the blocking when they were filming the pregnant actress. The audience knows it, the show knows it, but I really do like seeing shows make fig leaf attempts at hiding actress pregnancies. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/68 "2016-03-09T18:36:18Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > The priest brings a fucking bolt action rifle. With a scope. Hiding and sniping at the bad guys is a good plan for me. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/69 "2016-03-09T18:37:02Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > They will “drop their weapons” next week. That is immensely stupid. Having just killed a bunch of the bad guys, they cannot expect mercy. Who is on the radio? Where is she? If they do have prisoners, they are close. Either fall back to the building or run to the cars and get the hell out. It’s Alicia Witt as someone named “Polly”. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/70 "2016-03-09T19:28:29Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > It’s Alicia Witt as someone named “Polly”. But where is she? Who does she have with her? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/71 "2016-03-09T22:00:31Z")
Has the show done away with Darryl’s crossbow? I haven’t seen him with it for at least two episodes. Seems like it would have been a better tool for killing the guard than sneaking up on him with a knife. ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/72 "2016-03-09T22:09:10Z")
Wasn’t it stolen from him with his motorbike, by the trio escaping from Negan? (yup ['The Walking Dead': Norman Reedus Reveals What's Next For Daryl -- And It's Not Good | News | MTV](http://www.mtv.com/news/2507678/the-walking-dead-norman-reedus-reveals-whats-next-for-daryl/) ) ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/73 "2016-03-09T23:55:17Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Has the show done away with Darryl’s crossbow? I haven’t seen him with it for at least two episodes. Seems like it would have been a better tool for killing the guard than sneaking up on him with a knife. Of course it wouldn’t be. Unless the hit is absolutely perfect (and even then), there’s too much risk of him shouting out and/or not going down immediately. A controlled slitting of the throat is obviously the correct way to dispatch someone in that situation, when stealth is the goal. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/74 "2016-03-10T00:20:13Z")
> [@Cinnamon\_Imp](#): > > Wasn’t it stolen from him with his motorbike, by the trio escaping from Negan? > > (yup [MTV | Homepage - Shows & Schedules](http://www.mtv.com/news/2507678/the-walking-dead-norman-reedus-reveals-whats-next-for-daryl/) ) Judging from what the guy on the bike said, were some of the folks at the outpost not bad guys? ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/75 "2016-03-10T03:31:57Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > But where is she? Who does she have with her? A preview of next week’s episode is available online. There’s no real spoiler. It’s basically the same scene just shown from her group’s perspective just beyond the tree line. > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Judging from what the guy on the bike said, were some of the folks at the outpost not bad guys? There seems to be a reoccurring theme of moral relativity and where the humanity line is drawn in the show. Very few of the groups we encounter are unrepentant psychopaths. Most are fragile groups under intense stress who have had to make hard choices to survive. Bands of crazed lunatics like the Wolves are ultimately boring from a story-telling perspective. Keep in mind, Rick’s crew going in and slaughtering 20 people simply because they happen to be against the community they just met like 5 minutes ago is actually kind of messed up. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/76 "2016-03-10T05:53:03Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Keep in mind, Rick’s crew going in and slaughtering 20 people simply because they happen to be against the community they just met like 5 minutes ago is actually kind of messed up. Rick’s crew going in and slaughtering the group Daryl, Abe and Sasha described meeting (and massacring) on the road is perfectly reasonable. Hilltop didn’t demonstrate that the Saviors needed killing. Hilltop merely confirmed what they already knew: The Saviors need killing. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/77 "2016-03-10T15:55:27Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > …Keep in mind, Rick’s crew going in and slaughtering 20 people simply because they happen to be against the community they just met like 5 minutes ago is actually kind of messed up. (post shortened) IIRC, it’s been approx. 2+ months since Daryl, Sasha, and Ford faced execution at the hands of Degan’s bikers on the road back to Alexandria. And the group which stole Daryl’s bike and crossbow didn’t have anything nice to say about Degan’s group. Several months later, the Hilltoppers and Paul “Jesus” Rovia didn’t have anything nice to say about Degan’s group either. The Hilltoppers have been murdered, threatened with murder, and are forced to hand over their food and equipment under threat of more murders. Rick’s group witnessed a Hilltopper trying to murder a fellow Hilltopper because Degan’s group held the man’s brother/cousin (?) hostage. _You kill for us or we’ll kill your kin???_ That’s messed up. There is no indication that Degan’s group is a fragile group under intense stress. There are indicators that Degan’s group will murder people for no reason. I believe Degan’s group qualifies as unrepentant psychopaths. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/78 "2016-03-10T22:04:11Z")
Negan. Not Degan. ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/79 "2016-03-10T22:20:55Z")
Or Neegan? ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161/80 "2016-03-10T22:41:18Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > IIRC, it’s been approx. 2+ months since Daryl, Sasha, and Ford faced execution at the hands of Degan’s bikers on the road back to Alexandria. And the group which stole Daryl’s bike and crossbow didn’t have anything nice to say about Degan’s group. > > Several months later, the Hilltoppers and Paul “Jesus” Rovia didn’t have anything nice to say about Degan’s group either. The Hilltoppers have been murdered, threatened with murder, and are forced to hand over their food and equipment under threat of more murders. Rick’s group witnessed a Hilltopper trying to murder a fellow Hilltopper because Degan’s group held the man’s brother/cousin (?) hostage. _You kill for us or we’ll kill your kin???_ That’s messed up. > > There is no indication that Degan’s group is a fragile group under intense stress. There are indicators that Degan’s group will murder people for no reason. I believe Degan’s group qualifies as unrepentant psychopaths. No, I agree. Rick has enough information and enough encounters with groups of A-holes that it’s not worth it to risk to not kill them. When I say “fragile” I don’t mean delicate weaklings (like the old Alexandrians). What I meant was that most of the other communities they met (Woodbury, Grady Hospital, Terminus, weren’t all unthinking lunatics like The Wolves or those bikers Daryl hooked up with. They all had traumatic experiences with that ultimately pushed them in a direction where it made sense for them to adopt extreme and violent practices to survive. Remember that Rick’s plan to “just take it” if the Alexandrians didn’t get their shit together? Negan clearly is a psychopath and employs at least enough psychopaths to maintain control. But we also don’t know how many people are just "regular people who live under Negan’s rule because it’s safer than being out there (like the couple that stole Daryl’s shit). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-12-not-tomorrow-yet-open-spoilers/748161.md?page=5)