# The Walking Dead; 6.14 "Twice as Far" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 21, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716 "2016-03-21T00:25:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716/121 "2016-03-23T18:29:45Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > It’s not a matter of the feds coming to get you. It’s that most police and sheriff’s offices just don’t have them. It’s trivially easy to modify an AR-15 into an M-16 if you can get the parts and can machine an auto-sear. But after the ZA you’re not going to be able to find the parts. (Unless you scavenge military weapons, in which case you’d just use the military rifle.) I don’t know how difficult it is to modify an AK to selective-fire, but I’ve seen the procedures for a Mini-14 and it requires some machining. There are tens (hundreds?) of millions of firearms available in the ZA. And tons of ammunition. You just have to find them. If you use, lose, or break those, you need to find more. IIRC, Glenn found silencers in someone’s freezer. Weapons selection is whatever is in the armory. Either Alexandria’s armory, a police station and vehicles, a military base and military vehicles, sporting goods stores, pawn shops, many of the vehicles belonging to the fleeing people on the roads, every pickup truck in Georgia, adversaries who lost the fight, etc. Alexandria’s scavenger groups have been combing the area for over two years. If there is a choice between a bolt action rifle and a weapon capable of select-fire w/full automatic capabilities, who would opt for the bolt action? First come, first served. But you carry your own ammo. 😉 Parts from one Winchester 94 is interchangeable with other Winchester 94s. AK47s are almost indestructible and immune to the handling of the most inept user. Lead is the new gold in these modern middle ages. Lead formed into the proper sized and weight bullets requires dies and primitive smelting equipment. Resizing brass or steel cases requires accurate dies, a press the applies lots-o-pressure, and proper lube. KY ain’t gonna do it. Black powder is easier to make than slow/medium/fast burning smokeless propellant but it’s dirty and would foul the barrel and action. Especially gas-operated weapons. Building working primers of the proper size and flash rate would be the most difficult part. Find 'em, fix 'em, or make 'em, it’s a TV show. The writers will provide. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![stosh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@stosh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stosh)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716/122 "2016-03-23T18:50:27Z")
Johnny L.A.-I don’t know about the rest of them, but our girl Rosita has the gloves with no fingers and I think you have to fire a weapon on full auto if you wear them. Another thing- the bad guys have a one-shot crossbow and pop Denise through the head. The good guys have three people with full auto weapons and shoot three bad guys and Eugene bites one in the dick. It’s a wonder any of these people are alive. The zombies seem to be no problem at all, unless the writers want to get rid of someone. I didn’t expect to see Denise get killed that way, but didn’t care and I won’t miss her. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716/123 "2016-03-23T19:11:24Z")
> [@SykoSkotty](#): > > - You don’t need to bite through the denim to cause pain. If someone grabbed a man there and gripped down, ythey’d be in pain, no doubt. Eugene’s eventual plan was pretty good and he only needed 20 or 30 seconds of bite-time IF the plan worked as he hoped. Or else he was a deadman. Out numbered 9 to 1, he had been taken captive. When he was reunited with Daryl and Rosita, and saw the still armed Abe Ford hiding in the barrels, Eugene managed to direct the Savor’s attention away from Daryl/Rosita and towards the barrels. He also alerted Daryl and Rosita to the fact that they weren’t alone. But this distraction wouldn’t last long. Eugene now needed a 2nd diversion to allow Abe, Daryl and Rosita to begin their attack. Kneeling on railroad ties with his hands tied/taped behind his back, his options were limited. Headbutt Dwayne, hit Dwayne with his shoulder, or rolled into him to knock him off his feet, drawing the Saviors attention away from the barrels and Daryl/Rosita and towards the new commotion. Momentary confusion can be your friend but it’s short lived. Eugene chose a fourth option. Eugene would also hope that one of his three amigos would kill Dwayne before he could kill Eugene. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716/124 "2016-03-23T19:31:51Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > There are tens (hundreds?) of millions of firearms available in the ZA. And tons of ammunition. You just have to find them. If you use, lose, or break those, you need to find more. While I think the plethora of automatic weapons is unrealistic, what I really object to is the ‘spray and pray’ everyone engages in. Yes, there’s a ton of ammunition. Somewhere. But very recently shelves were cleared of ammunition just because there’s a Democrat in the White House. Seriously, there are threads about it. In an actual apocalypse, you’ll be very lucky to find very much ammunition at all – especially in 5.56x45/.223 or the Russian calibers. Or .22, for that matter. (But most .22s aren’t select-fire. 😉 ) Yes, the Writers shall provide. Except when it heightens the drama for them to withhold. And then fresh ammunition will just grow like Topsy when they decide the audience wants a lot of noise. But I still think Our Gang have been incredibly stupid regarding ammunition ever since the beginning. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716/125 "2016-03-23T19:37:15Z")
> [@stosh](#): > > I didn’t expect to see Denise get killed that way, but didn’t care and I won’t miss her. It was nice having a normal looking young person on the show. I think that the automatic weapons come from the same place as the gasoline that doesn’t go bad is kept. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716/126 "2016-03-23T19:41:15Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > It was nice having a normal looking young person on the show. > > I think that the automatic weapons come from the same place as the gasoline that doesn’t go bad is kept. I liked Denise, as well, even though I questioned her decisions in this episode. Good point about the weapons! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716/127 "2016-03-23T19:48:27Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > There are tens (hundreds?) of millions of firearms available in the ZA. And tons of ammunition. You just have to find them. Finding them is not trivial. As Glenn pointed out soon after the Terminus escape, the low-hanging fruit has long since been taken; all the gun shops and police armories have been scavenged. At this point they have to look in unlikely places, and the prime determinant of success is luck. It’s not like they have tricorders. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716/128 "2016-03-23T19:50:37Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I think that the automatic weapons come from the same place as the gasoline that doesn’t go bad is kept. Mogas seems to go bad after a few months. One thing I learned recently is that [avgas can keep for quite a long time](http://generalaviationnews.com/2011/05/15/how-long-can-fuel-be-safely-stored-2/). ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716/129 "2016-03-23T19:55:04Z")
If they picked up brass, how hard would it be to make primer? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716/130 "2016-03-23T20:02:02Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Mogas seems to go bad after a few months. One thing I learned recently is that [avgas can keep for quite a long time](http://generalaviationnews.com/2011/05/15/how-long-can-fuel-be-safely-stored-2/). He is speaking of losing octane. Is that different than > [@link](#): > > Hydrocarbons in the gas react with oxygen to produce new compounds that eventually change the chemical composition of the fuel. This leads to gum and varnish deposits in the fuel system. [Link.](http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/31/does-gas-go-bad/) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716/131 "2016-03-23T20:04:16Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > He is speaking of losing octane. Is that different than > [Link.](http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/31/does-gas-go-bad/) He’s also writing of aviation gasoline, which is different from automotive gasoline. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716/132 "2016-03-23T20:12:32Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > He’s also writing of aviation gasoline, which is different from automotive gasoline. 😉 Yes, but does aviation gas turn to varnish as quickly as regular gas. (ha ha, “regular” gas, get it?) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716/133 "2016-03-23T20:41:57Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Yes, but does aviation gas turn to varnish as quickly as regular gas. (ha ha, “regular” gas, get it?) 🙂 From the link: > [@](#): > > A straight hydrocarbon fuel like 100LL and autogas do not lose octane with time… > > Autogas is composed of many different hydrocarbon compounds. Over time some of the light ends, like butane, can evaporate, leaving the octane of the remaining blend slightly lower. Of course he’s talking about octane. A cursory search reveals such things as ‘Nice thing about 100LL is that it doesn’t turn to varnish, like pump gas.’ But that’s an R/C message board, so TIFWIW. For actual avgas used in actual airplane engines, [this .pdf says](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=17&ved=0ahUKEwiokOS70tfLAhUH5GMKHdHAA4sQFgiIATAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.afpm.org%2FWorkArea%2FDownloadAsset.aspx%3Fid%3D309&usg=AFQjCNF2TWhdE8T8lEaYn2a4Sz84QwFsJw&sig2=2xKRSkxkY-5_Bv4GXizpUg): > [@](#): > > Stability of a fuel can be defined as the resistance or the degree of resistance to chemical change or degradation. When gasoline is not stored correctly over a period of time, gums and varnishes may build up and precipitate from the gasoline. Gums and sediment may build up in the fuel tank, lines, and carburetor or fuel injection components making it harder to start the engine and cause rough operation of the engine. This could be a problem for aircraft as some are typically parked without use for long periods of time. Additionally, because aviation gasoline is not produced and sold in large quantities, fuel is often stored for extremely long periods of time before being delivered to the aircraft for use. [This thread](http://www.supercub.org/forum/showthread.php?30165-varnish-buildup-in-fuel-tanks&) says: > [@](#): > > Real Av-gas seems not to leave any residue behind. Plus it will dissolve the old varnish junk that car gas has left behind. > Av-Gas can sit in the tanks much, much longer before it starts to do weird things. > > [and] > > mo gas contains a lot of varnish and paraffin So it looks like avgas is much more stable than mogas. Now, the problem with using avgas in the ZA is that avgas contains lead and modern cars don’t like lead. OTOH, there are plenty of cars to use when one dies. I still think someone should be rendering zombies into Diesel fuel. And algae probably grows pretty well too. And ethanol or methanol can be made from any number of plants. As to actual gasoline, I wonder how long it ‘keeps’ in the underground tanks? And as to power in general, I like that Alexandria has solar power. It’s a viable option, and it’s easier to obtain components than it was a couple of decades ago. They should have more Leafs and Teslas. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716/134 "2016-03-23T23:14:03Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > If they picked up brass, how hard would it be to make primer? Standardization, the hero of manufactuing and the bane of the DIYer. The primers would have to match one of two primer pocket sizes and produce the required amount of flame. Not too much and not too little. The basic primer consists of a copper cup, a primary explosive that ignites when crushed, a fuel, which also serves to push the flame from the primer pocket into the propellent’s case, an oxidizer for a bigger bang, and an anvil (for Boxer-type primers) which provides the resistance needed to crush the explosive. Plus binders to hold the mixture together. Lead styphnate (lead 2,4,6-trinitroresorcinate, C 6 HN 3 O 8 Pb) is the current choice of explosive for non-corrosive primers. Potassium chlorate (KClO3) was used in the ol’ fashion corrosive primers. Both work but KClO3 is salty, which requires constant weapons cleaning. Even longer version - For centerfire cartidges there are two sizes of primer. Small (0.175") and large (0.210"). Those are separated into small pistol, small rifle, large pistol, and large rifle. And those are separated into regular and magnum. (Shotgun cartridges use a different size and mixture.) Plus, the primer should be seated between 0.003" and 0.005" below the level of the case head. Any higher and the primer may accidentally ignite when the bolt face impacts the cartridge when chambering a round. Any lower and the firing pin may not crush the cup sufficiently to ignite the lead styphnate. ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716/135 "2016-03-24T01:21:03Z")
So doorhinge, you’re saying that it would be quite difficult to make your own primer/firing caps? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716/136 "2016-03-24T01:54:16Z")
> [@Laggard](#): > > So doorhinge, you’re saying that it would be quite difficult to make your own primer/firing caps? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716/137 "2016-03-25T16:19:37Z")
> [@Laggard](#): > > So doorhinge, you’re saying that it would be quite difficult to make your own primer/firing caps? No. I’m suggesting that you and Eugene might have a difficult time making your own working primers. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716/138 "2016-03-25T17:44:18Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > No. I’m suggesting that you and Eugene might have a difficult time making your own working primers. 😃 Eugene and Gabriel could take apart blasting caps. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716/139 "2016-03-25T18:21:08Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Eugene and Gabriel could take apart blasting caps. And change their names to Lefty and Ol’ One Eye. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Carl would be Young One Eye. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716/140 "2016-03-25T18:31:08Z")
It could be a [TLC](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TLC_(group)) tribute. Carl will, of course, be the one known as [“Left Eye.”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Lopes) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-14-twice-as-far-open-spoilers/749716.md?page=8)