# The Walking Dead; 6.16 "Last Day on Earth" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 3, 2016, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139 "2016-04-03T23:49:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Grsz11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Grsz11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grsz11)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/181 "2016-04-05T19:47:22Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I didn’t interpret the dark box scene with bullet hole lighting to be POV scenes. They were establishing shots like the sunlight through the leaves crap. Nothing in those scenes made me think of POV so it wasn’t connected to the end scene IMO. It was absolutely POV. I saw a series of images that deduced who’s POV it was and thus who met Lucille - rather plausible too. ---
**Author:** ![Grsz11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Grsz11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grsz11)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/182 "2016-04-05T19:48:30Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Please don’t post future spoilers, or anything from the comic. I’m not in agreement that a bat to the head causing damage is a spoiler, and I did hide further details, but okay. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/183 "2016-04-05T19:53:29Z")
> [@Grsz11](#): > > It was absolutely POV. I saw a series of images that deduced who’s POV it was and thus who met Lucille - rather plausible too. Are you going to link to this “series of images”? There’s really no reason to be coy about it, especially since you’re apparently talking about content from the show and not the comic. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/184 "2016-04-05T19:57:13Z")
> [@Barbarian](#): > > Nah. Negan wants them beaten and working for him as serfs, but he doesn’t have the manpower to police them into doing the work. And in a world with working vehicles and traffic-free highways, the second Negan isn’t looking his “serfs” will assemble a convoy and within 24 hours will be 800 miles down the road. Further, any serf who gets sufficiently pissed can take Negan out with a scoped rifle from 500+yards away. A coercive society just isn’t sustainable under these conditions, and when you causally but elaborately kill someone just to make an example, you lose whatever pre-apocalyptic skills and knowledge that person had, skills you are not likely to replace unless you start preserving books, setting up schools and having babies right away. If Negan honestly doesn’t give a fuck if the human race is extinct within 20 years, fine. He may as well indulge every schoolyard-bully fantasy he’s ever had, right up until someone kills him over a minor argument. Anyone taking a longer view will have to realize Negan’s an obstacle. Conveniently, I gather, he’s managed to assemble well over 100 people (former Americans, to boot) willing to render unthinking cultish loyalty. I’ll probably keep watching, but _Walking Dead_ has now been thoroughly eclipsed by both _Z Nation_ and _iZombie_ in terms of quality. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/185 "2016-04-05T19:59:56Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’ll probably keep watching, but _Walking Dead_ has now been thoroughly eclipsed by both _Z Nation_ and _iZombie_ in terms of quality. Those series are comedies. Not really comparable. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/186 "2016-04-05T20:01:27Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Further, any serf who gets sufficiently pissed can take Negan out with a scoped rifle from 500+yards away. I was thinking of Carol with a scoped rifle when Negan showed up. ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/187 "2016-04-05T20:10:50Z")
> [@Grsz11](#): > > It was absolutely POV. I saw a series of images that deduced who’s POV it was and thus who met Lucille - rather plausible too. Uh… wasn’t it POV from inside the box that was holding Darryl, Glenn, Michonne, and Sasha? They were inside a box/cage with holes in it, inside the van. The last scene from that perspective was one of The Saviors opening the doors and pulling them out of the cage and van. Or at least I think that is what I saw. I need to re-watch it… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Grsz11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Grsz11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grsz11)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/188 "2016-04-05T20:17:57Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Are you going to link to this “series of images”? There’s really no reason to be coy about it, especially since you’re apparently talking about content from the show and not the comic. I’ll see if I can find it. I think it was on a Reddit thread with thousands of comments, so no promises. ---
**Author:** ![Grsz11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Grsz11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grsz11)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/189 "2016-04-05T20:19:46Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > Uh… wasn’t it POV from inside the box that was holding Darryl, Glenn, Michonne, and Sasha? They were inside a box/cage with holes in it, inside the van. The last scene from that perspective was one of The Saviors opening the doors and pulling them out of the cage and van. > > Or at least I think that is what I saw. I need to re-watch it… 😃 Yes, the premise being that the whole point of that POV was to establish who gets the bat, because that’s the only other time we see that POV and the shots inside the box serve no other purpose. ---
**Author:** ![Grsz11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Grsz11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grsz11)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/190 "2016-04-05T20:26:55Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Are you going to link to this “series of images”? There’s really no reason to be coy about it, especially since you’re apparently talking about content from the show and not the comic. > [@Grsz11](#): > > I’ll see if I can find it. I think it was on a Reddit thread with thousands of comments, so no promises. Nothing we haven’t seen, but spoiler-y deduction, so: [They gave it away with the POV - Album on Imgur](http://m.imgur.com/a/Bz2e6) ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/191 "2016-04-05T20:31:07Z")
> [@Grsz11](#): > > Nothing we haven’t seen, but spoiler-y deduction, so: > > [They gave it away with the POV - Album on Imgur](http://m.imgur.com/a/Bz2e6) It’s speculation - there’s nothing spoilery about that. I agree that it’s definitely Glenn. ---
**Author:** ![Grsz11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Grsz11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grsz11)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/192 "2016-04-05T20:38:21Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > It’s speculation - there’s nothing spoilery about that. I agree that it’s definitely Glenn. Well I’d rather be safe than offend someone and I wasn’t sure if the images would appear instead of the link. But I’m 100% convinced that was the purpose of the POV, and if it’s not one of those four well then what the hell was the point. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/193 "2016-04-05T21:05:46Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Those series are comedies. Not really comparable. I’m okay with it. Both those shows have frequent moments of genuine drama I view as more plausible and more compelling than the consistent “Oh, you people are fucking idiots!” frustrations of _TWD_. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/194 "2016-04-05T21:29:59Z")
> [@Grsz11](#): > > Well I’d rather be safe than offend someone and I wasn’t sure if the images would appear instead of the link. > But I’m 100% convinced that was the purpose of the POV, and if it’s not one of those four well then what the hell was the point. The scenes from inside the van had a different viewing angle/lens depth than the POV scene at the end. This is my take of course. And since I don’t think the scenes from inside the van were actually POV type scenes, I was left asking the same question, what the hell was the point? What gave you the impression that those were POV scenes? > [@EllisDee](#): > > I thought it was a callback to Terminus. Didn’t we see a bunch of scenes similar to that, with light shining through bullet holes in the wall, while our people were being held in the containers? From what I remember of the container scenes, there were no bullet holes. The scenes from inside the containers were of the characters when they were more lucid. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/195 "2016-04-05T22:25:54Z")
> [@Grsz11](#): > > Well I’d rather be safe than offend someone and I wasn’t sure if the images would appear instead of the link. > But I’m 100% convinced that was the purpose of the POV, and if it’s not one of those four well then what the hell was the point. I think the only point of these particular scenes was so we would wonder what the point of the scenes were - which, in the end, was to let us know that those 4 were in captivity, in a box, much of the entire time. If anything - I’d say its meant to show that they had as little idea as to what was going on around them as Rick and crew did, and to help break them down for the final scene. I doubt it has any bearing on who met lucille up close - I still think its either Aaron or Eugene. ETA - the imgr link is not how it was broadcast (except maybe when they opened the door) - We have no idea what the ‘order’ was in the box until they were drug out of it - and Daryle was up front/left against the wall with the blanket - not Glen. ---
**Author:** ![Grsz11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Grsz11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grsz11)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/196 "2016-04-05T22:54:23Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > The scenes from inside the van had a different viewing angle/lens depth than the POV scene at the end. This is my take of course. And since I don’t think the scenes from inside the van were actually POV type scenes, I was left asking the same question, what the hell was the point? What gave you the impression that those were POV scenes? IIRC, the camera moves as if it were a person looking. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/197 "2016-04-05T23:07:17Z")
> [@Grsz11](#): > > IIRC, the camera moves as if it were a person looking. I checked; it totally does. Complete with sounds of heavy breathing to make it even more videogame-esque. I guess if some people want to believe it’s anyone other than Glenn, that’s their prerogative, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s Glenn. It couldn’t be more obvious if they… I don’t know, hit us over the head with a baseball bat. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/198 "2016-04-05T23:37:22Z")
I tend to watch with captions so I didn’t pick up breathing. Here is what I saw (Total run time 1:04:34 on rewatch from Amazon Streaming) From 0:08 : 0:20 - slow left to right movement like on steady cam with heavy breathing in subtitle. Not the movement from a point of view that would pivot, but more of a view that is sliding. From 17:01 - 17:15 - “muffled voices” and “people breathing heavily” are subtitled. The movement on this one is harder to tell, but it could have been POV here. From 35:28 - 35:40 - same subtitle of “people breathing heavily” and “muffled voices”. This one you can kind of make out hand movement from inside the van. The movement here is much smoother and doesn’t seem like POV at all. From 51:22 - 51:32 - same subtitle of “people breathing heavily” and “muffled voice” this time, singular. The movement here is smooth as well a bit of up and down and rotation. Charitably this could be someone getting up but the view movement is not what I would think of at all since it’s way to smooth and small. Then at 51:41 - 51:45 - Dwight opens the van door and the camera is higher level, and near perfectly steady with the cross of light centered on screen. There is no subtitled audio from inside the van. The final scene, starting at 103:13 with Neegan monologuing, the camera movements are more abrupt to keep Neegan center frame. After rewatching it, I think it can go either way. The movements from inside the van did not make me think POV at all on first viewing but on second/third viewing it could be a toss up. 30/70 maybe. Bleh reviewing didn’t improve the episode. ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2016, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/199 "2016-04-06T12:30:26Z")
> [@Grsz11](#): > > Yes, the premise being that the whole point of that POV was to establish who gets the bat, because that’s the only other time we see that POV and the shots inside the box serve no other purpose. Okay, thank you. I misunderstood the earlier post and thus my comment. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2016, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/200 "2016-04-06T13:26:27Z")
> [@Barbarian](#): > > Those scenes establish who was killed. > The first POVs are of someone in particular. The final POV is their death. > > It’s the bone the Powers That Be tossed to the superfans so they can figure out who was killed. > > Unfortunately, it was an idea that should have been abandoned because it pisses off the core group of fans. I’m not getting this logic since the “POV” stuff for the final killing was outside the box. No? In that case, what the hell does POV from inside the box tell us? BTW, I think the writers are reserving the right to decide who gets the bat anytime between now and when they start filming next season. And even then, they might film a few decoy scenes just to keep everyone guessing. Too bad Coral didn’t drag Enid along. I wouldn’t mind seeing her get bashed to death. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139.md?page=11)