# The Walking Dead; 6.16 "Last Day on Earth" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 3, 2016, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139 "2016-04-03T23:49:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/281 "2016-04-12T16:51:25Z")
> [@troub](#): > > You find yourself surprised who you end up empathizing with here and there, which I thought was incredibly interesting. The creators of Breaking Bad have been quoted as saying they were surprised that no matter how terrible Walter White was, people still supported him. Personally, I find it surprising that after all sorts of genocidal acts in the past century that anyone thinks it unusual that humans can be convinced to murder, maim and torture – and do it without any regret. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/282 "2016-04-13T17:25:09Z")
> [@troub](#): > > …At first, he’s not a “drug dealer” _per se_, just the manufacturer. And rationalizes that by reasoning that people are buying it anyway, but they’re buying crappy, adulterated, tainted, awfully-made stuff that is even more dangerous than it needs to be. (post shortened) “per se”? He’s not a drug dealer because he manufactures drugs and sells (aka deals) them to others??? That makes him a drug dealer AND a drug manufacturer. He’s a character of those who deal dangerous and illegal drugs to other drug dealers who don’t care who uses the product as long as they pay for the product. In advance. Before they overdose, are arrested, or are killed committing a crime in order to get the money to pay for the illegally manufactured drugs. Obviously, some people (viewers) find the life and times of drug dealers to be more interesting than others (non-viewers) do. People bring their own real world experiences with them as they view TWD, BB, FTWD, HIMYN, Friends, or The Dick Van Dyke Show. Some people like the actors, or the characters, or the writing, or the directing, or the special effects, or the action, or the location. TWD production brings enough to the table to draw, and keep, a big audience season after season. The audience seems to enjoy the show so much that they are even willing to spend time watching the Talking Dead in order to better understand the backstory, character development, and to find out what the writers/directors/editors failed to make clear during the actual show. ---
**Author:** ![troub](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troub/32/14802_2.png) [@troub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/troub)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/283 "2016-04-13T18:50:44Z")
I mostly meant that he doesn’t have the first clue about “dealing drugs,” so he has someone else, who already does it, do it for him. He makes it and hands it off. But you’re right, ultimately he profits from the sale of the drugs. I don’t really wish to drag this thread any more off topic. So… How about that finale? It’s gonna be Glenn. Unless off-season focus-grouping or Twitter analysis causes them to chicken out. How about if next season is a replay of _this_ season, but from the Saviors’ persepective, and climaxes in the exact same scene! Bonus points for making _that_ one a cheap cliffhanger, too. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/284 "2016-04-13T21:08:46Z")
> [@troub](#): > > …How about that finale? It’s gonna be Glenn. Unless off-season focus-grouping or Twitter analysis causes them to chicken out. > > How about if next season is a replay of _this_ season, but from the Saviors’ persepective, and climaxes in the exact same scene! Bonus points for making _that_ one a cheap cliffhanger, too. (post shortened) The POV theory (it must be Glenn) does make sense. Tracking the Eenie Meenie Miney OH NO theory (another popular online theory) doesn’t seem to work. The last name Negan mentions before selecting someone is Rick. Maggie and Sasha are next to Rick. Abe and Aaron are the next closest. Did Negan walk past 5 people to select to Glenn? Or three to select Eugene? Negan almost killed Maggie because she looks sickly. Kneeling left to right (audience view looking at the actor’s faces) - Glenn Rosita Daryl Michonne Abe Maggie Rick Sasha Aaron Carl Eugene EMMM (on camera) selections - 1 Rick 2 Maggie 3 Abe 4 Michonne 5 Daryl 6 Sasha 7 Aaron 8 Carl 9 Michonne 10 Eugene 11 Sasha 12 Rosita 13 Aaron 14 Glenn 15 Maggie 16 Daryl 17 Abe 18 Carl 19 Rick ??? OTOH, Chandler Riggs (Carl) posted to the Talking Dead that he still didn’t know who was killed, and he’s an insider. Personally, I believe that the logical conclusion doesn’t mean as much as the executive producer’s final decision. _HA HA. We fooled you. It was Maggie._ :eek: ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/285 "2016-04-14T00:21:37Z")
I believe they are waiting to judge fan reaction before they decide who dies, or who crawls under a dumpster. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/286 "2016-04-14T00:40:41Z")
At this point, either the actors have not been told who dies, or they’re keepin’ it mighty quiet. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/287 "2016-04-14T02:04:40Z")
What if a shark jumped up and took the beating? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/288 "2016-04-14T12:58:32Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > What if a shark jumped up and took the beating? I guess everyone would sit around singing koom bah ya while sharing shark fin soup. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/289 "2016-04-16T06:35:29Z")
I am blown away by how many people seem to be genuinely surprised/shocked that they didn’t show us who dies. You’re serious? Forget whether you are new to TWD…are you new to television itself? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/290 "2016-04-16T16:34:54Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > I am blown away by how many people seem to be genuinely surprised/shocked that they didn’t show us who dies. You’re serious? Forget whether you are new to TWD…are you new to television itself? **Season 1** The group just tries to survive, and in the penultimate episode they decide to make for the CDC . We get a tense episode in which they don’t get blown up at the end. There’s a small cliffhanger: What did Dr. Jenner whisper to Rick? **Season 2** After spending time on Hershel’s farm the finale finds the group camped out on the road, very close to the prison. The cliffhanger is ‘What will happen when they find the prison?’ Oh, and the Season 1 ‘cliffhanger’ is revealed. The audience had already figured it out. **Season 3** No cliffhanger. Andrea croaks herself. **Season 4** Rick and his subgroup are captured by the Termites. At the end they are in a boxcar and Rick says the Termites are messing with the wrong people. The cliffhanger is how they will rain death and destruction on their captors. We already know they will not be killed and eaten. **Season 5** Tyrese is killed halfway through the season. Beth gets killed in the fourth-to-the-last episode. In the finale Porch Dick’s story arc is resolved. At the very end the audience is shown that the Wolves are coming. Not much of a cliffhanger, being told to expect Bad Guys. **Season 6** Someone is beaten to death, and we’re assured it’s one of the main characters. In all of the other seasons, major characters were killed off before the finale or (Andrea) at the end of the final episode. Season 6 is the first time a major character snuffs it and we’re not shown who it is. The expectation, following the pattern of the other seasons, is that the character will be known by the end of the episode and that the cliffhanger will be what happens in the aftermath. So yeah, I think it’s reasonable to be shocked/pissed off that they didn’t do the reveal. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/291 "2016-04-16T17:51:17Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Yes I did skip Breaking Bad. Terminally ill teacher begins selling methamphetamine to kids. Resorts to lying, theft, and murder to keep making money while ruining the lives of who knows how many users and those close to him. Also affecting the lives of the victims of the users who need to steal or rob more money to buy more drugs. Not my cup of tea. I know this is an old post, but, yanno, for years I avoided TWD because I thought a zombie series was hopeless- no way a show with that premise could be anything but dumb. And I am someone who likes zombie movies! But- 90 minutes? Sure. Multiple seasons? I didn’t think so. Well, once I watched the first season, I really liked it. It isn’t that I don’t notice how stupid the characters can be. I mean, geez, in these horror shows, why do the characters _always_ go into the basement? :rolleyes: But that is the way it is: stupid characters drive horror stories. TWD is like that, but it doesn’t matter, it is a good show anyway (lol usually), at least to me. If I want classic literature, I can read Daphnis and Chloe. Sooner or later though, I am going to be like, “there aren’t any zombies in this.” So now I eagerly await the next Carol-ex-machina. I am going to miss Glenn. And yeah, in the zombie apocalypse people are stupid, but that appears to be universal, so at least there is a level playing field. For all we know, the zombie virus renders people stupid and they are helpless against this effect. Maybe one of our morally tortured characters will have an insight into this, will devise away to cure the stupid in her friends, and then they’ll really kick a lot of ass. I don’t know, but I do know it has been saying it is fiction, right there in the credits, all the way since E1. So give BB a try. Give it 3 episodes. It really is pretty interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/292 "2016-04-16T17:57:23Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I mean, geez, in these horror shows, why do the characters _always_ go into the basement? :rolleyes: ‘Why don’t we just get into the running car?’ ‘What, are you crazy? Let’s hide behind the chainsaws!’ ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/293 "2016-04-16T18:03:21Z")
I bet we could come up with dozens of examples! 🙂 I think TWD is inventing new ones, for a new generation. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/294 "2016-04-16T18:05:13Z")
Re: Who gets croaked. Mrs. L.A. and I have a five-dollar bet. She says it will be Michonne because she slept with Rick. I say it will be Glenn for reasons in this thread. Her second choice is Rosita, and my second choice is Michonne. No bet on this one, but I think Negan’s mole in Alexandria is Enid, with Deanna’s sone being the second choice. Mrs. L.A. says Enid absolutely isn’t it. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/295 "2016-04-16T18:13:22Z")
I don’t think it is Enid. She seems like a sincere kid. Deanna’s kid has a reputation for sneaking around. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/296 "2016-04-16T18:19:46Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I don’t think it is Enid. She seems like a sincere kid. Deanna’s kid has a reputation for sneaking around. Enid has always been aloof. She spent a lot of time outside of the community. The scenario I imagine that makes her the mole is this: After her parents are killed, she ‘just survives somehow’. ‘JSS’ has become her mantra. She is found by Negan, who decides she can be useful. He induces her to infiltrate the Alexandria Safe Zone to gather intelligence until he gets around to taking it over. Rick’s group arrives, and Enid forms a friendship with Coral. She doesn’t want to betray the group, but if she stops spying Negan will kill or maim her. So she decides to take the middle option and just leave and ‘just survive somehow’ on her own as she did before Negan found her. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/297 "2016-04-16T19:42:52Z")
Well if it is Enid, then Rick and crew were spared an awkward moment of recognition between her and Negan since she is locked up in the closet. And if it is her, she has the chance to go counter-agent once she sees that Rick’s group is a little nicer than Negan’s. But the kid had training from Carol Herself in sneaking around, keeping secrets. He was manipulable. And I think Enid is in the show to be Carl’s girlfriend, eventually. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/298 "2016-04-16T19:50:11Z")
Eta: I think I am getting my kids mixed up. They both got munched, but you mean the kid hostile to Carl I think… ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/299 "2016-04-16T19:56:31Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Eta: I think I am getting my kids mixed up. They both got munched, but you mean the kid hostile to Carl I think… My second-choice mole is Spencer. He’s always seemed a little weaselly to me (stealing food and alcohol from the pantry), and he suggested Rick make a deal with Negan. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139/300 "2016-04-16T22:37:10Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Re: Who gets croaked. > > Mrs. L.A. and I have a five-dollar bet. She says it will be Michonne because she slept with Rick. I say it will be Glenn for reasons in this thread. Her second choice is Rosita, and my second choice is Michonne. > > No bet on this one, but I think Negan’s mole in Alexandria is Enid, with Deanna’s sone being the second choice. Mrs. L.A. says Enid absolutely isn’t it. They won’t kill a woman. It would make Negan less charming somehow. My top three picks are Abe, Glenn and Daryl, in that order. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-6-16-last-day-on-earth-open-spoilers/751139.md?page=16)