# The Walking Dead; 7.01 "The Day Will Come When You Won't Be" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 23, 2016, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-01-the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be-open-spoilers/769548 "2016-10-23T23:33:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-01-the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be-open-spoilers/769548/81 "2016-10-24T21:18:16Z")
> [@ghettomotels](#): > > Dumbest show in TV history Then why do you watch it, I wonder? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-01-the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be-open-spoilers/769548/82 "2016-10-24T21:43:16Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Then why do you watch it, I wonder? I wonder why I watch it, too. As I said earlier, I’m six seasons in, now, and it feels kind of like I’m too far in to get out now (sunk costs, I suppose). I need to see how far this rabbit hole goes? > [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > \I need something to root for—some ray of hope, some possibility that things might actually get better someday. Not just things to be against and people to hate until you find other people you can hate more. I’m afraid it’ll become just all misery, all the time, everything is shit, everybody sucks, everybody dies and we’ll call it edgy. \ You’ve put how I feel about it very nicely. Thanks. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![expectopatronum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/expectopatronum/32/173_2.png) [@expectopatronum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/expectopatronum)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-01-the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be-open-spoilers/769548/83 "2016-10-24T21:43:25Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > OK, this was certainly effective; I admit to the odd gasp or two. But there’s one thing I’m really hoping will improve: > > This. I have a feeling that there will be very few episodes in the near future that will be fun to watch. I need something to root for—some ray of hope, some possibility that things might actually get better someday. Not just things to be against and people to hate until you find other people you can hate more. I’m afraid it’ll become just all misery, all the time, everything is shit, everybody sucks, everybody dies and we’ll call it edgy. > > Now I’m not watching the show with the expectation that in the end, all’s gonna be fine. But I’m also not sure I want to watch people stumbling from one shit situation into ever shittier ones. I’m not sure I’d find that, you know, entertaining. I was thinking along similar lines. I’m a recent convert to WD - I binge watched seasons 1-5 this past spring while simultaneously watching the latter half of season 6 as it aired, so I’ve missed stuff here and there, but I was trying to think of what the most harrowing episode was prior to last night. I’d have to say Terminus. But that episode had a strong emotional payoff at the end, and I can’t think of a similar scenario that will come anytime soon. I hope they do find a way to give us some hope, because after the big shocking payoff of last night, I fear the next few episodes may be a trial to slog through. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-01-the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be-open-spoilers/769548/84 "2016-10-24T21:50:24Z")
> [@Turek](#): > > Seeing the effects to Glen was literally the most violent, goriest thing I’ve ever seen on TV. > > You (the writers) can insult my intelligence with the frequently idiotic behavior of your characters. You (generic “you”) can think I’m a wimp. You (other posters) can flat out say that I’m too stupid to understand that a show I’ve been watching for however-long isn’t \*really \*about the zombies. Whatever. I don’t give a shit. > > But having to see Abe was bad enough. And then to dial it up even further with Glen… it pissed me right the fuck off that I was being subjected to it, all in the name of shock value. I agree completely with this. Well, not completely; I wasn’t pissed right off. It did irk me. It’s that strange dichotomy that pisses me off. Sure we can see a eyeball floating in a puddle of Glenn’s brains but god forbid someone says, “fuck,” or we actually see someone fuck. They should pick a side. Is this is R rated (for lack of a better term) or isn’t it? Anyway … I still love the show. It’s pretty much the only serial I bother to watch when it’s aired. And I’m sure I’ll continue. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-01-the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be-open-spoilers/769548/85 "2016-10-24T21:59:22Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > The violence was necessary. But I hated the way they stretched out the ‘reveal’. … The decision to make viewers wait another 20+ minutes to learn what they’d waited _months_ to learn, can’t be called anything less than “sadistic.” The showrunners out-Neganed Negan. > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > … I think viewers may want to question themselves a bit as to what sort of entertainment they are getting out of watching a relentlessly sadistic spectacle such as we saw last night. Like some others here, I don’t find Negan to be a particularly interesting or even plausible character… The character is the very definition of “one-note.” I have nothing against Jeffrey Dean Morgan, but Negan–as written–is every grinning sadist from every two-dimensional melodrama ever written. > [@Quimby](#): > > This was my problem with it too. The show is violent so that didn’t bother me that much. The narrative manipulation was what pissed me off. … Both the show’s theme and the show’s execution were essentially ‘the hyenas rip each other apart in their fight for dominance.’ The audience seems to have offered its collective throat to the showrunners, which is nice for the showrunners, I guess. As to why some of us watch the show despite having no very good opinion of it: when something is very popular, it’s good to get an idea of _why_. (I was able to let the spinoff _Fear TWD_ go, thank goodness, as its ratings have been kinda meh.) ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-01-the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be-open-spoilers/769548/86 "2016-10-24T22:11:08Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > The word “fuck” is verboten too; good thing TD has a 30 second delay. 😉 It’s not, actually. Not AMC specifically, but fellow basic cable network FX had several shows air the word “fuck” uncensored last season. The People vs OJ had one an episode for several episodes in a row. The most notable was the end of an episode, one of the lawyers held a press conference and the other lawyer, after turning on the tv to watch it, _yelled_ “FUCK!” as they went to credits. Another FX show also used the word; I don’t think it was The Americans, but not sure. Maybe Fargo? Maybe The Bastard Executioner? I can’t remember, but I definitely remarked on it here on the dope. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-01-the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be-open-spoilers/769548/87 "2016-10-24T22:19:50Z")
Also, regarding the episode, if not for Daryl I would be thinking “Atlanta’s really nice this time of year!” ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-01-the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be-open-spoilers/769548/88 "2016-10-24T22:20:47Z")
> [@ghettomotels](#): > > Dumbest show in TV history I thought there was a general consensus that _Under the Dome_ had that particular honor. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-01-the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be-open-spoilers/769548/89 "2016-10-24T22:21:32Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > The decision to make viewers wait another 20+ minutes to learn what they’d waited _months_ to learn, can’t be called anything less than “sadistic.” > > The showrunners out-Neganed Negan. > > The character is the very definition of “one-note.” I have nothing against Jeffrey Dean Morgan, but Negan–as written–is every grinning sadist from every two-dimensional melodrama ever written. > > Both the show’s theme and the show’s execution were essentially ‘the hyenas rip each other apart in their fight for dominance.’ The audience seems to have offered its collective throat to the showrunners, which is nice for the showrunners, I guess. > > As to why some of us watch the show despite having no very good opinion of it: when something is very popular, it’s good to get an idea of _why_. (I was able to let the spinoff _Fear TWD_ go, thank goodness, as its ratings have been kinda meh.) Hey, Negan is a sadist. But Rick’s group would have killed, in their sleep, every last member of Negan’s group if they were at that compound that Rick’s group raided. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-01-the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be-open-spoilers/769548/90 "2016-10-24T23:10:57Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Hey, Negan is a sadist. But Rick’s group would have killed, in their sleep, every last member of Negan’s group if they were at that compound that Rick’s group raided. Oh, I agree. The show presents a world carefully constructed to please people who _want_ to believe that “kill or be killed” is the only valid philosophy of life. Nihilism for primetime–it _sells_! ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-01-the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be-open-spoilers/769548/91 "2016-10-24T23:16:04Z")
> [@ghettomotels](#): > > Dumbest show in TV history This is known as “thread shitting” on here. If you have no interest in a show, just don’t post to a topic. Just a small note, Idle Thoughts Cafe Society Moderator ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-01-the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be-open-spoilers/769548/92 "2016-10-24T23:31:07Z")
I don’t follow the comics, and I don’t want spoilers, but I’m HOPING that they get to the rebuilding society part soon. I don’t want to watch another 2 or 3 seasons of brutality. I feel like I’ve paid my price. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-01-the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be-open-spoilers/769548/93 "2016-10-24T23:32:18Z")
Come save the day, Wolf Carol! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-01-the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be-open-spoilers/769548/94 "2016-10-24T23:52:26Z")
> [@unwashed\_brain](#): > > I don’t see “take out Negan as revenge” as a satisfying conclusion to what is certainly going to be a season or two of misery for the remaining heroes. I’m thinking Vlad the Impaler’s solution, with Lucille. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-01-the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be-open-spoilers/769548/95 "2016-10-25T00:25:23Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I think with all the people who have been disembowled and eaten alive by zombies and how gory some of those close ups are that the issue isn’t necessary the gore alone. I think what’s bothering people has to do a bit more with the pacing and anticipation. Agreed. And was this any worse than what we saw happen to Theon Greyjoy on _Game of Thrones_? I think the violence on this show and _GoT_ is pretty comparable. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-01-the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be-open-spoilers/769548/96 "2016-10-25T00:38:40Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Oh, I agree. The show presents a world carefully constructed to please people who _want_ to believe that “kill or be killed” is the only valid philosophy of life. > > Nihilism for primetime–it _sells_! Wishing something were so and understanding that biological life is a struggle are two different things. In many cases the police and state are our very own Negans. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-01-the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be-open-spoilers/769548/97 "2016-10-25T01:02:53Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Also, serious question, Chris Hardwick understands no one really died right? His maudlin attitude during the live Talking Dead commercials when main characters die make me want to give him a wedgie. This, 100%. It’s a tv show, not a support group. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-01-the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be-open-spoilers/769548/98 "2016-10-25T01:06:45Z")
Given a week, with working vehicles and open highways, they could be literally on the other side of the continent before Negan shows up for his tribute but that would make sense and we can’t have that. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-01-the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be-open-spoilers/769548/99 "2016-10-25T01:19:26Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Given a week, with working vehicles and open highways, they could be literally on the other side of the continent before Negan shows up for his tribute but that would make sense and we can’t have that. That would mean abandoning Daryl. (See post #87.) ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-01-the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be-open-spoilers/769548/100 "2016-10-25T01:36:18Z")
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