# The Walking Dead; 7.02 "The Well" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 30, 2016, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144 "2016-10-30T16:47:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144/21 "2016-11-01T14:58:01Z")
> [@simster](#): > > wasn’t there something @ the prison to do with the pigs that caused the sickness there? No, at that stage the pigs had been eating… Whatever people feed pigs. They contracted the the flu-like virus that was probably not related to the zombification pathogen. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144/22 "2016-11-01T15:34:35Z")
If nothing else, feeding the pigs a plentiful supply of rotting flesh would keep you from having to dip into your resources. Even if you fed your pigs garbage, you wouldn’t have to share it with assholes, but they did seem to appreciate that the Saviors were getting putrefied fed pigs. Seems like the Kingdom is getting off pretty lightly, 8 pigs vs half your shit. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144/23 "2016-11-01T15:42:15Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > Seems like the Kingdom is getting off pretty lightly, 8 pigs vs half your shit. That was ‘pig day’, and presumably eight pigs accounted for half of their stock. The week after pig day is ‘produce day’, where the Saviours come back to take half of their produce. The Kingdom may be getting weekly visits from the tax man. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144/24 "2016-11-01T15:55:23Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > That was ‘pig day’, and presumably eight pigs accounted for half of their stock. The week after pig day is ‘produce day’, where the Saviours come back to take half of their produce. The Kingdom may be getting weekly visits from the tax man. Yeah, but “half of your pig supply” is still less than “half of everything you have, and we’ll be back next week for the other half”. If feral pigs are just out and about, seems like they would be pretty easy to come by without any deals, but getting a dressed carcass would be nice. But I see the point, having people do all the farming and pig butchering for you, just let them do their thing and collect as opposed to wiping them out. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144/25 "2016-11-01T16:07:20Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > If feral pigs are just out and about, seems like they would be pretty easy to come by without any deals, but getting a dressed carcass would be nice. But that would entail doing actual work. As you say, having other people do the work for you is easier. It leaves more time for pillaging and intimidating. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144/26 "2016-11-02T06:32:41Z")
I want this arc to end with Negan facing off with Carol, and him taunting her for her weakness, how she doesn’t have the guts to take him on. Carol: I shot a twelve year-old girl in the head. [shoots Negan, casually steps over his corpse] Seriously, if Rick gets eliminated now… I don’t think I’d really care if at the end Carol and Carl are still around. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144/27 "2016-11-02T07:16:10Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > “half of everything you have, and we’ll be back next week for the other half” The deal is “half of what you have now, and half of whatever you obtain in the future”. If the Saviours were taking half of _everything_ on a weekly basis, their victims would run out of stuff very quickly. The Saviours want an ongoing supply of stuff. That means their victims have to be able to survive so they can produce/scavenge stuff. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144/28 "2016-11-02T13:18:38Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > And yet another reason besides trichinosis to not to eat undercooked pork. I’ll never look at pork the same way, myself… ---
**Author:** ![rainy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c2a13f/32.png) [@rainy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rainy)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144/29 "2016-11-02T14:44:46Z")
So you’re telling me half of the pig harvest is 8 pigs. And if these Kingdom farmers really know how to farm [cough, cough, yeah right], they are probably raising two litters a year. Giving them and the Saviors 16 pigs a year. … … … What does the tiger eat again? ---
**Author:** ![GreedySmurf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a698b9/32.png) [@GreedySmurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreedySmurf)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144/30 "2016-11-02T15:28:22Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I want this arc to end with Negan facing off with Carol, and him taunting her for her weakness, how she doesn’t have the guts to take him on. > > Carol: I shot a twelve year-old girl in the head. [shoots Negan, casually steps over his corpse] Now that, I would love to see. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144/31 "2016-11-02T15:32:47Z")
> [@rainy](#): > > … > > … > > … > > What does the tiger eat again? Anything it wants. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144/32 "2016-11-02T15:39:58Z")
> [@rainy](#): > > What does the tiger eat again? Good point. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144/33 "2016-11-02T15:43:53Z")
It wouldn’t make sense for the Saviors to clean them out completely. If they starve they can’t provide more pigs later. That’s just good business. Shitty exploitative business but business. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144/34 "2016-11-02T15:44:56Z")
> [@rainy](#): > > What does the tiger eat again? Frosted Flakes. ---
**Author:** ![MoonMoon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moonmoon/32/2959_2.png) [@MoonMoon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoonMoon)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144/35 "2016-11-02T16:08:34Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > It wouldn’t make sense for the Saviors to clean them out completely. If they starve they can’t provide more pigs later. That’s just good business. Shitty exploitative business but business. Right. I’m not sure why people are having trouble with this. In the same vein, I’ve seen a lot of people comment that it was unrealistic that Negan wouldn’t have just killed the whole group instead of just Glenn and Abe. His system _depends_ on other groups. Cowed, terrified groups who will hand over whatever he asks without question. ---
**Author:** ![Soylent\_Juicy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@Soylent\_Juicy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soylent_Juicy)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144/36 "2016-11-02T16:19:23Z")
Okay maybe I’m way off base here because I don’t have children, but if I did I wouldn’t make them go to school during the Zombie Apocalypse. I’d be teaching them self-reliance and making them do chores to help out or just letting them play. It always bothers me to see kids sitting in a class setting on these types of shows because for heaven’s sake, the world is ending, let them enjoy what little time they have and be kids, or at least give them the tools to survive after you’re gone! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144/37 "2016-11-02T16:36:39Z")
I realize it’s not clear how many people Negan has under his command, but surely some of the survivors are ex-military and could, if they wanted, stage ambushes and reduce his numbers significantly. A good sniper team could take out whole groups of Saviors, mainly by going for heart shots so that anyone they kill quickly turns, rises, and starts going after anyone nearby, including other Saviors. If the Saviors have schedules and routines on which they collect their tributes, even better. Sure, Negan will stage brutal reprisals, and that sucks, but if it’s not clear who the snipers work for, Negan will end up lashing out at innocent groups, reducing their productivity and possibly increasing their likelihood to rebel. And this is all assuming that Negan himself isn’t a relatively easy target for a person with a sniper rifle. Does he have a headquarters? Could someone with a ghillie suit with some zombie guts on it approach stealthily and take him out? As I fighting the premise too much? Why can’t they just fix that boat and go home? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144/38 "2016-11-02T17:13:26Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Why can’t they just fix that boat and go home? Are we talking _The Walking Dead_ or _Gilligan’s Island_? Sniping would be great, but it makes for a short season. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144/39 "2016-11-02T17:37:38Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I realize it’s not clear how many people Negan has under his command, but surely some of the survivors are ex-military and could, if they wanted, stage ambushes and reduce his numbers significantly. A good sniper team could take out whole groups of Saviors, mainly by going for heart shots so that anyone they kill quickly turns, rises, and starts going after anyone nearby, including other Saviors. If the Saviors have schedules and routines on which they collect their tributes, even better. That’s my problem with the Negan situation, as well. “Um, sure, Mr. Negan, sir. We’ll have your tribute for you next week. You just show up right here and stand here in the center of the street, and we’ll bring it on out. See you next week!” Even if the man himself doesn’t show, taking out his lieutenants will make his plan too costly. And if there are reprisals, all that’ll do is foster even more resentment against him. And that’s completely ignoring how easy it would be to poison the tribute with something that takes a long time to build up, like arsenic. ---
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144/40 "2016-11-02T17:57:01Z")
> [@Soylent\_Juicy](#): > > Okay maybe I’m way off base here because I don’t have children, but if I did I wouldn’t make them go to school during the Zombie Apocalypse. I’d be teaching them self-reliance and making them do chores to help out or just letting them play. It always bothers me to see kids sitting in a class setting on these types of shows because for heaven’s sake, the world is ending, let them enjoy what little time they have and be kids, or at least give them the tools to survive after you’re gone! If the kids don’t learn how to read how will they know what they are scavenging is safe? They wouldn’t be able to read labels or in a book (for wild edibles a field guide is very valuable until you “know” what you are picking.) If they can’t write who will write the books to replace the ones that aren’t being made any more? Paper degrades, cockroaches eat the glue from binders and just usage itself breaks a book down. If they don’t learn math how will they learn to do measuring in order to build stuff? History? Well, that might get revamped as time goes by and knowing who won the Revolutionary War is no longer relevant but reading about the time Rick took over a prison and all that happened then might serve as a time of pride and a lesson on how to clear out a prison. Music will always be important but I am guessing it will be quieter forms than drums, trombones or using microphones to really belt a song out (thinking of that WWZ scene and shaking my head.) So, yeah, readin’, writin’ and arithmetic _are_ some of the tools they will need to survive as long as they can. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-02-the-well-open-spoilers/770144.md?page=3)