# The Walking Dead; 7.04 "Service" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 14, 2016, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920 "2016-11-14T01:14:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![AtomicDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@AtomicDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtomicDog)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920/21 "2016-11-14T17:27:00Z")
Why Negan isn’t fragged by his own men is beyond me. The Governor’s people loved him and would do anything for him. NO ONE likes Negan, not even his closest toadies. In the real world, someone would always be plotting to take his place. He isn’t even armed! That bat is a symbol of power, not a weapon. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920/22 "2016-11-14T17:32:02Z")
> [@AtomicDog](#): > > Why Negan isn’t fragged by his own men is beyond me. The Governor’s people loved him and would do anything for him. NO ONE likes Negan, not even his closest toadies. > In the real world, someone would always be plotting to take his place. He isn’t even armed! That bat is a symbol of power, not a weapon. We don’t know that, we only know about Dwight and his situation is not standard. The rest of his goons might be perfectly happy about the arrangement, we know he gives preferential treatment to those who work for him instead of for “points”. ---
**Author:** ![stosh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@stosh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stosh)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920/23 "2016-11-14T18:19:17Z")
I don’t care why nagen is an asshole, but he is. This would have been a chance for my opinion of Carl to go up a few notches if he would have blown away the asshole. I would have welcomed anybody who would have shut up his big, stupid mouth. After all this group has been through, they put up with this idiot. It’s time to look at the writing staff and make some changes. ---
**Author:** ![Vicsage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e68b1a/32.png) [@Vicsage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vicsage)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920/24 "2016-11-14T18:50:05Z")
So they can lie to Negan and hide Maggie, but can’t hide some guns? What was even the point to lying about Maggie? Now they’ve got to hide her forever. And why would they have a written inventory of the number of guns they should have, let alone leave it laying around for Negans people to find? I sometimes think the Zpmbie virus makes people stupid. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920/25 "2016-11-14T18:56:47Z")
> [@Vicsage](#): > > So they can lie to Negan and hide Maggie, but can’t hide some guns? What was even the point to lying about Maggie? Now they’ve got to hide her forever. And why would they have a written inventory of the number of guns they should have, let alone leave it laying around for Negans people to find? I sometimes think the Zpmbie virus makes people stupid. Well, it does. I mean, the Walkers aren’t exactly MENSA candidates, are they? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920/26 "2016-11-14T19:00:54Z")
> [@Vicsage](#): > > So they can lie to Negan and hide Maggie, but can’t hide some guns? What was even the point to lying about Maggie? Now they’ve got to hide her forever. And why would they have a written inventory of the number of guns they should have, let alone leave it laying around for Negans people to find? I sometimes think the Zpmbie virus makes people stupid. Perhaps they wanted Negan to think that was all the weapons they have, and others are hidden in Maggie’s coffin. Rick doesn’t seem to be faking it, though. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920/27 "2016-11-14T19:13:05Z")
If this happens again, the strategy is obvious. Everybody in Alexandria gets a knife. When Negan and his crew shows up and his goons mingle among the Alexandrians, the Alexandrians should spread out and make sure all the goons are accompanied. Then at the sound of the gunshot (i.e. the one person with a hidden gun kills Negan), every Alexandrian immediately stabs the nearest goon. Within seconds, the intruder force can be vastly reduced, hopefully slaughtered entirely in under a minute. They will need a lot of discipline and drill to get it right. Nervous nellies like Eugene should stay out of it entirely - it’d be too easy for him to ruin it. ---
**Author:** ![stosh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@stosh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stosh)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920/28 "2016-11-14T19:36:35Z")
Then, we have the black woman with scoped rifle and she aims at the walkers chest. Doesn’t she know that she needs a head shot to kill them ? She misses a number of times. Either the rifle needs to be sighted in or it was loaded with blanks. If it was, who loaded it and why didn’t she check on what was wrong ? If you don’t have the balls to stand up to nagen, go away. Refresh my memory, why do they kiss nagen’s ass ? they have done a lot of stupid things on this show, but this is the dumbest thing yet. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920/29 "2016-11-14T19:52:06Z")
> [@stosh](#): > > Then, we have the black woman with scoped rifle and she aims at the walkers chest. Doesn’t she know that she needs a head shot to kill them ? > She misses a number of times. Either the rifle needs to be sighted in or it was loaded with blanks. If it was, who loaded it and why didn’t she check on what was wrong ? Rick says, “You were practicing.” Perhaps she was using the zombie as a target and not doing very well. The goons would swarm her before she could hit Negan. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920/30 "2016-11-14T20:03:01Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Rick says, “You were practicing.” Perhaps she was using the zombie as a target and not doing very well. The goons would swarm her before she could hit Negan. There wouldn’t be any point sniping Negan while he was at Alexandria _unless_ the townspeople were ready and able to take out the goons within seconds. If she was thinking about taking out Negan somewhere else, possibly at his own base, she’d have to use stealth and distance, which means wearing camouflage, in a prone position, using the rifle’s bipod from at least 300 yards away (500 would be better) and with a getaway vehicle close at hand and an escape route that doesn’t suggest she’s heading back to Alexandria (and of course, she better make damn sure she isn’t caught or even recognized). Her firing the rifle in the standing position is a waste of time and ammo. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920/31 "2016-11-14T20:13:53Z")
> [@ElderSign](#): > > In other words, if Daryl being held hostage is the a chief reason why Rick won’t fight back… It isn’t. Rick won’t fight back because he’s been whipped. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920/32 "2016-11-14T20:18:03Z")
> [@SykoSkotty](#): > > Set a huge trap at the gates of ASZ, so when he and his crew of 50+ show up - boom. All of 'em dead. [Zombie bombs](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=808431). 😉 I’d have IEDs lining every approach to ASZ, for as long a distance as I could muster. When the Saviours show up at the gate(s), detonate the IEDs there. When they try to retreat, detonate the farther IEDs in succession. ---
**Author:** ![stosh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@stosh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stosh)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920/33 "2016-11-14T21:30:06Z")
The crosshairs were right on the zombie and she missed several times. You didn’t even see if the shots were close. I don’t know where the hell the deer was. What was the deer doing that close (?) to the zombies. She killed the deer with one shot, by luck, I guess. Another indication of the top-notch writing on this show. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920/34 "2016-11-14T21:59:21Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > We don’t know that, we only know about Dwight and his situation is not standard. The rest of his goons might be perfectly happy about the arrangement, we know he gives preferential treatment to those who work for him instead of for “points”. Given that the whole WD story is essentially a metaphor for societal/political relationships, Negan’s goons could represent all kinds of segments of society for whom “good enough is good enough.” Zombies themselves personify slaves and their second class human status, Walking slowly as though encumbered by chains. Negan is just another happy go lucky psychopathic bully, like a few I have known personally, who believes he is justified and fair in his actions. I understand from what I’ve heard about the comics that he used to be a Social Studies teacher or something. Phys Ed teacher might be more apt, like what Biff Tannen-Trump was in Freaks and Geeks. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![troub](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troub/32/14802_2.png) [@troub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/troub)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920/35 "2016-11-14T22:21:03Z")
> [@stosh](#): > > The crosshairs were right on the zombie and she missed several times. You didn’t even see if the shots were close. > I don’t know where the hell the deer was. What was the deer doing that close (?) to the zombies. She killed the deer with one shot, by luck, I guess. > Another indication of the top-notch writing on this show. Symbolism, man! Like, totally – if you insist on doing something dangerous that you’re not very good at, it’s going to get some doe-eyed innocent bystander killed. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920/36 "2016-11-14T22:29:36Z")
According to the Walking Dead wiki, Negan was a high school gym teacher. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920/37 "2016-11-14T23:45:32Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > According to the Walking Dead wiki, Negan was a high school gym teacher. Just like Biff Tannen/Trump then. Cool! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920/38 "2016-11-15T00:32:39Z")
> [@troub](#): > > Symbolism, man! Like, totally – if you insist on doing something dangerous that you’re not very good at, it’s going to get some doe-eyed innocent bystander killed. You got to sight in your scope on a stationary target. Bullet drop and distance come later. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920/39 "2016-11-15T00:33:46Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Us or them? 😉 At least climate change isn’t going to be a problem in the zombie apocalypse. Granted the abandoned nuclear plants can’t be good for the environment, but that’s another issue. > [@Shakester](#): > > Nothing. Father Gabriel just scratched up the ground so it looked like a new grave, it wasn’t a real hole in the ground. I think this is the first time I’ve ever actually been pleased with Father Gabriel. Also when did Alexandria get a proper chapel, complete with stained glass window & pews? 😕 Wasn’t he preaching to people in his garage before? > [@CannyDan](#): > > Gotta say, I’m bored. There was no justification for this episode going 90 minutes… Agreed. _Why_ did this need to be 90 minutes? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920/40 "2016-11-15T01:10:07Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > 😉 Granted the abandoned nuclear plants can’t be good for the environment, but that’s another issue. I imagine that they SCRAMED (shut themselves down) when something went wrong. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-04-service-open-spoilers/771920.md?page=3)