# The Walking Dead; 7.07 "Sing Me a Song" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 5, 2016, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887 "2016-12-05T00:01:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2016, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887/21 "2016-12-05T18:07:37Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > And if you obey the rules, you survive. Which is a lot more than what most people get in the ZA. He says that, but his goons sure don’t seem to have better life expectancy than anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887/22 "2016-12-05T18:31:40Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > There was only one empty shell casing to work with. I guess the machine shop had a reloading press handy to put the casing and bullet back together. As to where Eugene got more gunpowder for the reload, I do not recall this being mentioned. Regarding the machine shop, that’s another nod to how this show should be called, “The Ongoing Adventures of the Stupidest People in the Zombie Apocalypse!” It’s a machine shop - everything in there is worth it’s weight in gold now. Take everything in it and move it to your compound and set up your own machine shop. Put Eugene in charge of it. Ah, Carl, you stupid little fucker. Well, we know _you_ are your father’s son. Heaven forbid the Alexandrians formulate an actual non-knee jerk plan to effectively get out from under Negan’s thumb (although someone did mention that - was it Father Gabriel, while he was having a shining moment of awesomeness?). ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2016, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887/23 "2016-12-05T18:45:01Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Ah, Carl, you stupid little fucker. Well, we know _you_ are your father’s son. Heaven forbid the Alexandrians formulate an actual non-knee jerk plan to effectively get out from under Negan’s thumb (although someone did mention that - was it Father Gabriel, while he was having a shining moment of awesomeness?). Kill Negan and everything collapses is about as good a plan as any, the mistake was not mowing him down when he had the chance. If he is hiding behind someone else that just means you need two bullets. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887/24 "2016-12-05T19:08:12Z")
I’ve been enjoying this tour of post apocalyptic Virginia. I’ll say one thing, Negan and the current story line is as close to the comics as this show has stuck. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2016, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887/25 "2016-12-05T19:50:48Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > It’s a machine shop - everything in there is worth it’s weight in gold now. Take everything in it and move it to your compound and set up your own machine shop. Put Eugene in charge of it. Neegn would move it to his compound a chain Eugene to a large piece of machinery. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887/26 "2016-12-06T02:22:48Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > This show is not interesting enough for the constant hour and a half episodes. Agreed, though at least his episode was pretty decent instead of being 90 minutes of filler. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887/27 "2016-12-06T02:35:30Z")
So what would happen should anyone kill Negan? would all his followers just disperse like fog in the hot morning sun? Just all…run away or something? Just stand there, look at dead Negan, shrug, and march out to their trucks and drive off never to be seen again? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887/28 "2016-12-06T02:57:31Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > So what would happen should anyone kill Negan? would all his followers just disperse like fog in the hot morning sun? Just all…run away or something? Just stand there, look at dead Negan, shrug, and march out to their trucks and drive off never to be seen again? Yup. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887/29 "2016-12-06T03:51:27Z")
Carl not plugging Negan the second he saw him very nearly got me to turn off the episode and, for me, the rest of the series. Now, with grudging masochism, I guess I’ll watch next week as Michonne gets within sword-range of Negan… and doesn’t kill him. Sigh. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887/30 "2016-12-06T03:55:03Z")
On the ‘what would happen’ front, there would be a protracted killing spree, spread over several days, wherein a succession of contenders vie for Negan’s position as sole commander. And other people take the opportunity to bail. The bullet thing is truly stupid, as I’ve commented before. You don’t need a machine shop, you need a reloading press. These are found in most sporting goods stores, many WalMarts, and a lot of pawn shops. Also in a lot of peoples’ houses or garages. Reloading is a popular hobby. To do it you need gunpowder, available in the same places as reloading presses. Oh, you could make something using salt peter, sulfur, and charcoal, but it won’t have the ‘bang’ of modern smokeless powder. And you need a bullet, which you could cast from melted tire weights or dive weights. You need a cartridge case, the ‘brass’ that Rosita was carrying. These are pretty simple, no reason our heroes can’t get them together. But you also need a sizing die for that exact cartridge. The brass stretches and deforms when the round is fired and needs to be re-shaped or it probably won’t load right. And you need a primer, one that fits the primer socket on the cartridge case. The primer is struck by the firing pin, it explodes, and sets off the powder charge which drives the bullet down the barrel. Without a primer, the cartridge case, bullet, and powder are useless. And primers aren’t something you’d make up in a machine shop, not even if you’re a highly educated and very motivated Eugene. Seems to me the plot could be advanced just as well, and more believably, if Rosita and Eugene went to WalMart instead of a machine shop. But I suspect the writers know little about ammunition and mistakenly believe that the shop provides some verisimilitude. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887/31 "2016-12-06T04:03:07Z")
My husband reloaded bullets for his target shooting guns in his den upstairs, it didn’t require a machine shop or a lot of costly equipment. A reloading press and modern gunpowder. It kept him busy for years, off and on. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887/32 "2016-12-06T05:06:16Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > There was only one empty shell casing to work with. I guess the machine shop had a reloading press handy to put the casing and bullet back together. As to where Eugene got more gunpowder for the reload, I do not recall this being mentioned. I may be wrong, but the round that was fired that produced the casing was a large bore handgun, like a 44 automag. Big, hefty bastard. She’s carrying what looks like a 9mm. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887/33 "2016-12-06T05:25:17Z")
> [@gytalf2000](#): > > The actor (Jeffrey Dean Morgan) is definitely overdoing it, but you can tell that he is having the time of his life hamming it up as Negan. That makes it fun for me to watch! I laugh more when he’s on-screen than during most episodes of any random sitcom. I love JDM as Negan. He’s witty, charismatic, and fun. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887/34 "2016-12-06T05:46:19Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > This show is not interesting enough for the constant hour and a half episodes. These “90 minute” episodes are actually around 63 minutes without the ads. ETA: I’m not making that up, BTW, I get them as downloads without ads so I know how much (or how little) program there is. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887/35 "2016-12-06T13:43:39Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Carl not plugging Negan the second he saw him very nearly got me to turn off the episode and, for me, the rest of the series. > > Now, with grudging masochism, I guess I’ll watch next week as Michonne gets within sword-range of Negan… and doesn’t kill him. Sigh. Perhaps I’ll not watch the recordings until something happens. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887/36 "2016-12-06T14:00:30Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Perhaps I’ll not watch the recordings until something happens. Probably not a bad idea. Sooner or later, headlines like “Negan death scene!” or “Why Negan was spared, explained!” will be all over the internet. At that point, it might be worthwhile to catch up on the backlog of episodes. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887/37 "2016-12-06T14:14:02Z")
Well, somebody wake me up when it happens. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887/38 "2016-12-06T14:33:32Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Kill Negan and everything collapses is about as good a plan as any, the mistake was not mowing him down when he had the chance. If he is hiding behind someone else that just means you need two bullets. Yeah, I’m not sure why Carl stopped firing. Other than the obvious “that’s what’s in the script”… ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887/39 "2016-12-06T14:53:05Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Carl not plugging Negan the second he saw him very nearly got me to turn off the episode and, for me, the rest of the series. > > Now, with grudging masochism, I guess I’ll watch next week as Michonne gets within sword-range of Negan… and doesn’t kill him. Sigh. I seem to recall Rick saying to Negan “I’m going to kill you” in that intense way he has. Of course that was early in their captivity by Negan and before Rick was broken. So I suppose we will have to see several more people in a position to kill him, without carrying through. At some point, probably after another unnecessary cliff hanger, Rick will finally make good on his word. At least that’s my guess. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887/40 "2016-12-06T15:08:28Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > These “90 minute” episodes are actually around 63 minutes without the ads. > > ETA: I’m not making that up, BTW, I get them as downloads without ads so I know how much (or how little) program there is. Yeah, but standard episodes are like 45 minutes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-07-sing-me-a-song-open-spoilers/773887.md?page=3)