# The Walking Dead; 7.15 "Something They Need" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 26, 2017, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107 "2017-03-26T23:54:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107/41 "2017-03-28T19:27:02Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > It was just his leg, and he was infected already. 😛 Oh, well. I don’t recall Rick melting anyone’s face off, or slicing anyone open during an argument after pool. Nor throwing anyone into an oven. Nor asking anyone to cut their child’s arm off, or threatening to make anyone eat their child’s remaining eye. They killed the Savior outpost because they were demanding tribute from Hilltop. Negan kills and tortures because it is fun. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107/42 "2017-03-28T20:10:40Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Darryl, Sasha, and Abraham killed about a dozen Savior with a stinger missile when they were stopped on the road and told they would have to give up their truck. Vocal Fry Redhead said that was fair. And it was. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107/43 "2017-03-28T20:24:06Z")
> [@flaming\_yawn](#): > > Raise your hand if Eugene giving Sasha the poison pill was a surprise. I should have fast forwarded that it was so lame. I thought that was a nice touch. Only Eugene could be so clueless… ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107/44 "2017-03-28T22:13:43Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I thought that was a nice touch. Only Eugene could be so clueless… If he had understood what her plan was he wouldn’t have helped her though. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107/45 "2017-03-28T22:17:47Z")
I hope they merge some of the plot lines after the big climax. I really don’t like it when these shows have so many different plot lines that you can go weeks without seeing some of the characters. As someone said in a recent thread: Hey, that was Enid. I forgot she was still alive! ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107/46 "2017-03-28T23:56:39Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I hope they merge some of the plot lines after the big climax. I really don’t like it when these shows have so many different plot lines that you can go weeks without seeing some of the characters. > > As someone said in a recent thread: Hey, that was Enid. I forgot she was still alive! Even Corl made an appearance in this episode. (I wonder if they’ve renewed Chandler Riggs’s contract?) It seems that all of the episodes this season have been taking place almost simultaneously. Based on Maggie’s pregnancy, it looks like it’s only been a month, or two, since Abe Ford and Glenn met the working end of Lucille. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107/47 "2017-03-29T01:33:50Z")
I’d let Darryl kill Dwight with his bare hands. Just for the hell of it, can’t trust the bastard. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107/48 "2017-03-29T01:37:23Z")
It is interesting that Negan wonders if Rick sent Sasha, and Rick wonders if Negan sent Dwight. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107/49 "2017-03-29T02:17:40Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > It is interesting that Negan wonders if Rick sent Sasha, and Rick wonders if Negan sent Dwight. It occurred to me that Negan might have been trying to bluff Sasha into believing that he knows something about Rick’s plans to see how she reacts. _Oh gosh Mr Negan. As long as you already know Alexandria’s plans, I may as well tell you the rest_, sort of thing. Is Sasha just another lone wolf, is she part of an advanced guard, or is Negan too horny to think clearly? Dwight has a lot of ‘splainin’ to do. However, no one else is aware of Dwight and Shelly’s relationship, or how that affected Dwight’s decision to join, escape, rejoin, and obey Negan without question. It’s also not yet public knowledge that Shelly twice helped with Daryl’s escapes. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107/50 "2017-03-29T02:54:13Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I hope they merge some of the plot lines after the big climax. I really don’t like it when these shows have so many different plot lines that you can go weeks without seeing some of the characters. > > As someone said in a recent thread: Hey, that was Enid. I forgot she was still alive! And yet, still nothing on Heath, but the actor is currently filming another show, so we may never see him again. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107/51 "2017-03-29T03:05:30Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Dwight has a lot of ‘splainin’ to do. However, no one else is aware of Dwight and Shelly’s relationship, or how that affected Dwight’s decision to join, escape, rejoin, and obey Negan without question. It’s also not yet public knowledge that Shelly twice helped with Daryl’s escapes. Daryl met Shelly and Dwight before and I’m sure he can put two and two together to figure out Shelly helped him escape. By the way, who babysit’s Rick’s daughter? ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107/52 "2017-03-29T03:24:20Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Rick and the Alexandrians raided and murdered about 75 Saviors in there sleep at the outpost they found after they met the Hilltop group. A group that was extorting Hilltop and had turned one of its own citizens into an assassin by holding his brother hostage. And Rick & Company had already had an encounter with Negan’s people as you note below. > [@](#): > > Darryl, Sasha, and Abraham killed about a dozen Savior with a stinger missile when they were stopped on the road and told they would have to give up their truck. Negan’s people were robbing them and were about to murder either Sasha or Abraham before Daryl launched an RPG at them. They weren’t just told to give up their truck. Negan’s folks explained that it was their standard operating procedure to kill one person in the group and have the survivors take them back to their settlement. > [@](#): > > Negan killed two of the Alexandrians as retribution for their actions. Negan didn’t kill them as retribution. Negan killed Abraham and Glenn because that’s his standard introduction to new groups. He killed them to establish dominance over the rest of the Alexandrians. > [@](#): > > Yeah Negan is an asshole and leads with intimidation, but Rick’s not much better. Remember Rick telling Spencer he’d knock his teeth down his throat if he found he was hoarding food again. Not much difference. Spencer was stealing food that belonged to the group as a whole when their stock was low. Most societies consider that a serious breach of etiquette. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107/53 "2017-03-29T15:13:55Z")
One think I am sure of is the big war won’t be in the next episode. No way they won’t dangle that carrot to next season. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107/54 "2017-03-29T15:29:57Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > And yet, still nothing on Heath, but the actor is currently filming another show, so we may never see him again. Oh, I’ve been wondering about Heath, myself. Another show, eh? Can’t say I blame him. He never got used very much on TWD… ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107/55 "2017-03-29T21:52:58Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Daryl met Shelly and Dwight before and I’m sure he can put two and two together to figure out Shelly helped him escape. > > By the way, who babysit’s Rick’s daughter? From Daryl’s limited perspective, anyone in Saviour City could have helped with Daryl’s escape. Except Fat Tony, and Negan. Sherry helped steal Daryl’s bike and crossbow, and abandoned him in the middle of nowhere without a weapon. Daryl later discovered Sherry was one of Negan’s wives/girlfriends. Unless Daryl had discovered that Sherry was using him as a diversion for her own escape, it’s unlikely he would think she would help him escape. Besides stealing Daryl’s bike and bow, Dwight reappeared later to crossbow Denise who was standing in front of/next to Daryl. Did Dwight hit the person he was aiming at, or the one next to him? And, of course, Dwight was in charge of Daryl’s time on Easy Street. Unless Dwight, or the Saviour’s extra-crisp ex-doctor, told Daryl about Sherry’s hopes for the future, Daryl is clueless. Corl was babysitting Judith during one of Negan’s visits, but anyone in Alexandria could be babysitting Judith. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107/56 "2017-03-29T22:13:10Z")
You’re forgetting about [this interaction](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Tgr0xgJGs) between Daryl and Sherry. ---
**Author:** ![threeorange](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@threeorange](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threeorange)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107/57 "2017-03-29T23:16:18Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Oceanside. That female community Tara discovered after she was separated from Redshirt Heath earlier this season. I think Heath is still alive; he’ll have some Glenn-esque survival tale. ---
**Author:** ![threeorange](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@threeorange](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threeorange)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107/58 "2017-03-29T23:33:58Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Quote: > Originally Posted by Omar Little View Post > Rick and the Alexandrians raided and murdered about 75 Saviors in there sleep at the outpost they found after they met the Hilltop group. > > A group that was extorting Hilltop and had turned one of its own citizens into an assassin by holding his brother hostage. And Rick & Company had already had an encounter with Negan’s people as you note below. > Quote: > Darryl, Sasha, and Abraham killed about a dozen Savior with a stinger missile when they were stopped on the road and told they would have to give up their truck. > > Negan’s people were robbing them and were about to murder either Sasha or Abraham before Daryl launched an RPG at them. They weren’t just told to give up their truck. Negan’s folks explained that it was their standard operating procedure to kill one person in the group and have the survivors take them back to their settlement. > Quote: > Negan killed two of the Alexandrians as retribution for their actions. > > Negan didn’t kill them as retribution. Negan killed Abraham and Glenn because that’s his standard introduction to new groups. He killed them to establish dominance over the rest of the Alexandrians. > Quote: > Yeah Negan is an asshole and leads with intimidation, but Rick’s not much better. Remember Rick telling Spencer he’d knock his teeth down his throat if he found he was hoarding food again. Not much difference. > > Spencer was stealing food that belonged to the group as a whole when their stock was low. Most societies consider that a serious breach of etiquette. I don’t think we’re supposed to think of our primary protagonists as “good guys” in any conventionally moral way. They readily admit that, in the name of survival, they’ve done things since the ZA that they never would have before. Part of what makes their journey compelling is their constant teetering on the brink of the complete loss of their humanity. We stay with them because they (usually) pull themselves back. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107/59 "2017-03-30T02:42:05Z")
> [@threeorange](#): > > I don’t think we’re supposed to think of our primary protagonists as “good guys” in any conventionally moral way. They readily admit that, in the name of survival, they’ve done things since the ZA that they never would have before. Part of what makes their journey compelling is their constant teetering on the brink of the complete loss of their humanity. We stay with them because they (usually) pull themselves back. No, certainly not the good guys in a conventional sense. Few television shows are going to have the protagonists kill defenseless foes in a church. Though, in that case at least, I found Rick’s actions to be both just and pragmatic. Even if the Terminus folks went away and never bothered our group again they would have continued to waylay and cannibalize other survivors. But I lot of what Rick & Company have done that some argue shows they’re just as bad as Negan. Wiping out the savior outpost, killing the Terminus survivors in the church, threatening to kill Dwight are a few examples I can think of off the top of my head. But most of those seem pretty reasonable to me. But there was a time when they came across a survivor and just left him out there even though the dude was clearly overjoyed at finding other living people, there Oceanside and the theft of their weapons, and even his threats against the people of Alexandria shortly after they arrived. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107/60 "2017-03-30T15:09:39Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > killing the Terminus survivors in the church I’m not sure why this is being brought up multiple times. The Terminus ‘survivors’ were in the church because they wanted to kill and eat Rick’s people. It’s not as if they were seeking sanctuary. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-15-something-they-need-open-spoilers/783107.md?page=4)