# The Walking Dead; 7.16 "The First Day of the Rest of Your Life" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 3, 2017, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622 "2017-04-03T00:09:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![rainy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c2a13f/32.png) [@rainy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rainy)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622/61 "2017-04-04T14:02:50Z")
I’ve got an idea for how Rick’s group could strike back against the Scavengers. They live in the dump. A few Molotov cocktails could cause a landfill fire that they don’t have the equipment to extinguish. Dwight is familiar with large scale burns…and small iron burns too. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622/62 "2017-04-04T14:52:55Z")
> [@Terry\_the\_Tramp](#): > > Dwight could have proven his loyalty just by firing on his fellow Saviors even if Negan is still protected by plot armor. Don’t know why the writers had him take up with the Saviors at the moment of truth. > > I wonder if the Scavengers will turn on Negan next season. Would be interesting to turn this into a three-way war. No way Alexandria could ever trust the Scavengers again which could be exactly what happens. He’s actually more useful still with the saviors with them believing him to be on side, than one extra body back at Alexandria (admittedly with good intel) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622/63 "2017-04-04T15:37:59Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > He’s actually more useful still with the saviors with them believing him to be on side, than one extra body back at Alexandria (admittedly with good intel) See post 60. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622/64 "2017-04-04T15:40:29Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > I did enjoy Simon giving them the finger as they drove off, though. Was it Simon or Negan? Negan was wearing gloves, Simon was not. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622/65 "2017-04-04T16:17:26Z")
> [@Terry\_the\_Tramp](#): > > I wonder if the Scavengers will turn on Negan next season. Would be interesting to turn this into a three-way war. No way Alexandria could ever trust the Scavengers again which could be exactly what happens. (post shortened) I wonder when Negan is going to turn his Saviors loose on the trashy Scavengers? Given Negan’s moods, wants, and needs, it’s only a matter of time. But first, he has to deal with a real tiger, and I don’t mean Michonne, Maggie, or Carol. 😃 And I agree about never trusting the Scavengers. It’s obvious that the Scavengers would change sides in the middle of a firefight if the price were right. ---
**Author:** ![Dante\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@Dante\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante_G)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622/66 "2017-04-04T16:24:06Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Was it Simon or Negan? Negan was wearing gloves, Simon was not. It was Negan. The hand came from the passenger side. Negan doesn’t drive, he gets driven. Plus, yes, Negan had on gloves. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622/67 "2017-04-04T16:26:37Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > I think ultimately Eugene will be killed by Negan next season. I don’t think Negan fully trusts him. A possibility is Dwight sets up Eugene like he setup Dr. Say-Hello-To-My-Little-Furnace. > > Another possibility is Dwight tries to setup Eugene but it backfires. > > All in all, though I’m expecting some skullduggery between Dwight and Eugene. No, that doesn’t make sense. For the past season we’ve seen Dwight come to a whole crisis of consciousness with the Saviors. I think his desire to kill Negan is genuine. And so far Eugene’s pragmatic cowardice hasn’t put him in a position to actually cause direct harm to his old friends. He’s tried to act as a mediator to defuse the situation. And he facilitated Sasha taking her own life. But Negan hasn’t put it to Eugene to “build a weapon to take out Alexandria”. So I predict both characters story arcs will end with their giving their lives to achieve some sort of redemption. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622/68 "2017-04-04T16:40:20Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > But Negan hasn’t put it to Eugene to “build a weapon to take out Alexandria”. Since Negan first came to Alexandria, I considered defenses against him. For example, IEDs lining the approaches to the gate. I don’t know if I posted about them, but I do know I mentioned ANFO truck bombs in the ‘Zombie bombs’ thread. They _finally_ had a truck bomb (sort of), and it was sabotaged. I would have hidden ANFO bombs (and other IEDs, if I could get the stuff to make them) from near the gate (but not close enough to take it out) to the maximum distance of my killing zone. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622/69 "2017-04-04T17:06:23Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Since Negan first came to Alexandria, I considered defenses against him. For example, IEDs lining the approaches to the gate. I don’t know if I posted about them, but I do know I mentioned ANFO truck bombs in the ‘Zombie bombs’ thread. They _finally_ had a truck bomb (sort of), and it was sabotaged. I would have hidden ANFO bombs (and other IEDs, if I could get the stuff to make them) from near the gate (but not close enough to take it out) to the maximum distance of my killing zone. I’d just teach Michonne (sp) to shoot the telescopic sighted rifle relatively well. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622/70 "2017-04-05T07:50:30Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > See post 60. > :dubious: Im talking about his own motivations in his own head. He knows he wont be trusted at Alexandria. His joining their side of the battle wouldn’t have achieved much at the time and would have blown his trusted status with the Saviors. As things are now hes in a position to deliver some highly effective treachery, regardless of what people in Alexandria think of him. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622/71 "2017-04-05T12:43:54Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > Im talking about his own motivations in his own head. He knows he wont be trusted at Alexandria. His joining their side of the battle wouldn’t have achieved much at the time and would have blown his trusted status with the Saviors. As things are now hes in a position to deliver some highly effective treachery, regardless of what people in Alexandria think of him. True, if the folks at Hilltop don’t kill him. On _the Talking Dead_, it was pointed out that whacking Dwight is very high on Daryl’s bucket list. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622/72 "2017-04-05T12:50:52Z")
Gun people: what gun was Daryl using? It looked very fancy. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622/73 "2017-04-05T13:23:47Z")
First time I’ve ever given an episode a “hated it” vote. I thought that is was a good 45 min show compressed into an hour and a half viewing. The surreal scenes were waaaaaaaay too long. Somebody should have told Sonequa Martin that her coffin dream face should look more like she’s dreaming and less like she’s getting laid. And Negan just got ambushed and run out of town in a hail of gunfire after giving one of his waaaaay too long “I’m the bully” speeches. Is that really the time when you flip off the guys who just humiliated you? The guy driving him had to be thinking, “You just got your punk ass burned and a bunch of us killed because you wanted to bask in the glory of your idiotic plan which did not work”. Also, how would a tiger know the good guys from the bad guys? ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622/74 "2017-04-05T13:33:44Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > … > > Also, how would a tiger know the good guys from the bad guys? We had Saviors / Garbagers vs Alexandria / Hilltop / Kingdom Not sure how the humans knew who was who let alone the tiger. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622/75 "2017-04-05T13:47:34Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > We had Saviors / Garbagers vs Alexandria / Hilltop / Kingdom > > Not sure how the humans knew who was who let alone the tiger. Best fan wank I can come up with is that Sheba recognized those from the Kingdom. There is a 67% chance that she would pick a bad guy. That assumes an equal number in each group, of course. ---
**Author:** ![MoonMoon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moonmoon/32/2959_2.png) [@MoonMoon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoonMoon)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622/76 "2017-04-05T14:34:43Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > Also, how would a tiger know the good guys from the bad guys? Straight from King Ezekial’s [mouth…errr, keyboard](https://twitter.com/kharypayton/status/848772410765475840). 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622/77 "2017-04-05T14:39:13Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Best fan wank I can come up with is that Sheba recognized those from the Kingdom. > There is a 67% chance that she would pick a bad guy. That assumes an equal number in each group, of course. Sheba was attacking the people that Ezekiel was focussed on. She took her cues from him. Yeah, pretty weak, but that’s about as good a theory (or fanwank) as you’ll get. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622/78 "2017-04-05T14:49:40Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > The surreal scenes were waaaaaaaay too long. Somebody should have told Sonequa Martin that her coffin dream face should look more like she’s dreaming and less like she’s getting laid. On second viewing, she was supposed to be dying. ---
**Author:** ![rainy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c2a13f/32.png) [@rainy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rainy)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622/79 "2017-04-05T14:55:00Z")
It did kind of look like the little death though. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622/80 "2017-04-05T16:02:43Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > On _the Talking Dead_… They showed how they did the Shiva pounce. (Incidentally, Shiva is the Hindu god of creation and destruction.) A stuntman was dressed in a blue unitard, and was digitally replaced by Shiva (the tiger, not the god). I wish someone would take some footage of The Blue Man Group and replace them with tigers. That would be fun. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-7-16-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-your-life-open-spoilers/783622.md?page=5)