# The Walking Dead; 8.13 "Do Not Send Us Astray" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 25, 2018, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-8-13-do-not-send-us-astray-open-spoilers/811178 "2018-03-25T23:07:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2018, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-8-13-do-not-send-us-astray-open-spoilers/811178/61 "2018-03-28T21:19:08Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > …This isn’t just comic-book suspension of disbelief. It’s plain bad writing. But it’s _so cool!_ :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2018, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-8-13-do-not-send-us-astray-open-spoilers/811178/62 "2018-03-29T04:26:33Z")
As bad as Negan is, he got shit done. Rick and Co. keep stumping their collective toes and achieving nothing. The food is scarce, ammo is scarce ( or should be ), peeps are dying in hoards. Are we gonna see them back on the road walking next season? It seems they have now ruined 7 or 8 good safe places and nothing is getting better. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2018, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-8-13-do-not-send-us-astray-open-spoilers/811178/63 "2018-03-29T04:29:54Z")
Don’t forget the crying and the angst. You have to make room for all the crying and angst. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2018, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-8-13-do-not-send-us-astray-open-spoilers/811178/64 "2018-03-29T10:57:59Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Don’t forget the crying and the angst. You have to make room for all the crying and angst. Heck, crying and angst would make it interesting. All we get is angst. “Is it wrong to kill walkers? I’m so conflicted?” “Remember that way I used to feel about this issue after our two hour talk a year ago? I spontaneously feel 180 degrees the opposite now. Let me go do something dumb to show it.” ---
**Author:** ![Mk\_VII](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Mk\_VII](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mk_VII)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-8-13-do-not-send-us-astray-open-spoilers/811178/65 "2018-03-30T10:36:23Z")
Can zombies climb the stairs? They clearly can’t walk down them. But they are not much of a threat if they can’t go up them. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-8-13-do-not-send-us-astray-open-spoilers/811178/66 "2018-03-30T12:30:53Z")
> [@Mk\_VII](#): > > Can zombies climb the stairs? They clearly can’t walk down them. But they are not much of a threat if they can’t go up them. They can fall down them, and I imagine they can crawl up. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-8-13-do-not-send-us-astray-open-spoilers/811178/67 "2018-03-30T19:38:25Z")
Their abilities change as the need arises, which really pisses me off. Water zombies shouldn’t be able to swim, in my opinion, sometimes they get to you in water sometimes not. On occasion they get around obstacles, other times not so much. It’s to keep us viewers on our toes, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-8-13-do-not-send-us-astray-open-spoilers/811178/68 "2018-03-30T20:04:06Z")
They used to be able to run in the early seasons, and Morgan’s dead wife knew how to work a doorknob in episode 1 or 2 of the series. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-8-13-do-not-send-us-astray-open-spoilers/811178/69 "2018-03-30T20:56:31Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > They used to be able to run in the early seasons, and Morgan’s dead wife knew how to work a doorknob in episode 1 or 2 of the series. Not only that, but she seemed to recognize her own house. I suspect they were thinking of going somewhere with that, but thought twice about it when they realized how hard it would be to manage plots where walkers still have their humanity buried somewhere inside them. It would have changed the entire moral complexion of the show. ---
**Author:** ![rainy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c2a13f/32.png) [@rainy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rainy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-8-13-do-not-send-us-astray-open-spoilers/811178/70 "2018-03-31T01:57:32Z")
Those first season walkers were very dangerous. One used a rock to smash a glass window. Also seems like they were climbing that chain link fence when Rick and Glen pulled their first gut camouflage maneuver. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-8-13-do-not-send-us-astray-open-spoilers/811178/71 "2018-03-31T02:32:18Z")
Morgan’s Wife tried to turn the door knob. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-8-13-do-not-send-us-astray-open-spoilers/811178/72 "2018-03-31T05:14:30Z")
Maybe that’s why Hershel thought they could be saved and kept them in the barn? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-8-13-do-not-send-us-astray-open-spoilers/811178/73 "2018-03-31T13:03:29Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Maybe that’s why Hershel thought they could be saved and kept them in the barn? His Wife was in the barn, was she not? ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-8-13-do-not-send-us-astray-open-spoilers/811178/74 "2018-03-31T14:46:33Z")
Yes, it’s true she was. But he thought they could save some medically. Rickinator killed those walkers anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-8-13-do-not-send-us-astray-open-spoilers/811178/75 "2018-03-31T14:54:35Z")
> [@rainy](#): > > Those first season walkers were very dangerous. One used a rock to smash a glass window. Also seems like they were climbing that chain link fence when Rick and Glen pulled their first gut camouflage maneuver. It took them a while to figure out the “rules”. Some of those early anomalies get a pass I think. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-8-13-do-not-send-us-astray-open-spoilers/811178/76 "2018-03-31T16:23:53Z")
So how did that zombie get in the pen? Ugh the writing for this one was especially bad. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2018, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-8-13-do-not-send-us-astray-open-spoilers/811178/77 "2018-04-01T23:43:55Z")
> [@rainy](#): > > …Daryl’s reuse of arrows alone would have demonstrated this years ago had the writers not just pulled it out of their asses recently. You can’t hardly be in the same room with a hunting broadhead and not cut yourself. Not to mention he’s been alternating the arrows between walker killing and hunting dinner the whole time!!! Wasn’t there an episode in season 1 or 2 where Daryl shot a dear that also got bit by a zombie and they debated weather or not it was still safe to eat? > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > An advantage of the prison was that they could lock themselves into individual cells at night. > They’ve already done that. Just some of the bad writing that doorhenge refers to. Even the locks are really necessary; zombies don’t have the motor skills to work simple latches or untie a bungee cord. Have we ever even seen one to something as simple as opening a door? > [@TBG](#): > > Re: Commercials for next season of Fear > > How can Morgan change shows? It’s set on the other side of the continent in a world without much in the way of transit and also set a few years in the past from when the main show is currently set… Makes no sense… unless there’s a time jump. Yes, there’s going to be a multi-year time-jump and it’ll be set in Texas. _Jenna Elfman_ has been cast for season 4. I know her character isn’t going to be like Dharma, but it’s still an interesting choice. > [@Shakester](#): > > …I expect that with a decent intensive care unit, zombie bites might be survivable, but there is no intensive care any more. So in practice, all zombie bites are considered to be fatal. Even if they’re not, the characters on the show _believe_ they are. **Fear the Walking Dead** would’ve been the perfect place to show something like this, but they missed their opportunity (they missed a lot of opportunities). > [@msmith537](#): > > It is interesting how zombie stories have to be oh soooo serious. They at least have to be internally consistent. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > …I suspect they were thinking of going somewhere with that, but thought twice about it when they realized how hard it would be to manage plots where walkers still have their humanity buried somewhere inside them. It would have changed the entire moral complexion of the show. Don’t forget about the little girl zombie in the pilot who was still carrying her teddy bear. Early one the show based their zombies pretty closely on the ones from Romero’s Living Dead series. At least in the original trilogy Romero didn’t really have zombies retain their humanity buried deep inside; he just have them retain enough memory to walk, be drawn to places they went in life (like shopping malls), and occasionally engage in crude tool use (like using a garden trowel on a victim). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-8-13-do-not-send-us-astray-open-spoilers/811178.md?page=3)