# THE WALKING DEAD: After seeing Terminus, do we all owe the Governor an apology? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 21, 2014, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076 "2014-10-21T21:51:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076/41 "2014-10-22T15:01:42Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Except maybe Papua New Guinea Nah they eat their \ that die of natural causes to adsorb parts of them and aspects of their personality, they don’t trap and eat strangers. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076/42 "2014-10-22T17:10:40Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > And next season when the next sooper evul group is a bunch of necro pedo telemarketers we’ll all owe Gareth an apology. Oh crap- telemarketers survived? I thought that sumbitch who tried to rape Carl had the “Would you like to receive three free issues of your favorite magazine for trying our new long distance service” pervert look in his eye. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076/43 "2014-10-22T17:24:00Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > We already live in a world where it’s perfectly legal to shoot and kill people as long as the law is on your side. That’s a meaningless tautology. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076/44 "2014-10-22T19:00:24Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > What was their intent? To be a safe harbor for anyone walking the countryside. After they put up the signs, a bunch of bikers showed up and went on a raping and killing rampage. The Terminus folk were able to rise up and overcome the bikers, after which they decided “never again.” To ensure it never happened again, from then on they killed and ate the new arrivals. Which brings up the question: Where the hell did “eat” come into the picture? Who’s idea was that in the “never again” brainstorming session? In my personal opinion, seeking out all your neighbors with the intention of exterminating them all (and stealing their stuff) is more evil than killing people who come to you, regardless if you post signs inviting people in. Terminus never was and never would be a threat to the prison, for example. EDIT: Sort of like a ruthless dictator who tortures and murders his own people is extremely bad, but Hitler was worse. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076/45 "2014-10-22T20:13:31Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > That’s a meaningless tautology. No it’s not. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076/46 "2014-10-22T22:20:36Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Question about the Walking Dead cannibals… how do they handle the fact that anyone they kill for food is going to turn? I assumed that is why they were killing everybody via the rain trauma of a baseball bat to the back of the skull. The throat cut wasn’t to kill them, it was to bleed them. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076/47 "2014-10-22T22:24:28Z")
The Governor didn’t actually die. He wound up in Sweethaven. [He thinks he’s owed an apology](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPvdCNGwuyg). ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076/48 "2014-10-22T22:41:06Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > To be a safe harbor for anyone walking the countryside. After they put up the signs, a bunch of bikers showed up and went on a raping and killing rampage. The Terminus folk were able to rise up and overcome the bikers, after which they decided “never again.” To ensure it never happened again, from then on they killed and ate the new arrivals. > > Which brings up the question: Where the hell did “eat” come into the picture? Who’s idea was that in the “never again” brainstorming session? > > In my personal opinion, seeking out all your neighbors with the intention of exterminating them all (and stealing their stuff) is more evil than killing people who come to you, regardless if you post signs inviting people in. Terminus never was and never would be a threat to the prison, for example. > > EDIT: Sort of like a ruthless dictator who tortures and murders his own people is extremely bad, but Hitler was worse. They left all the signs up and were actively broadcasting for people to come their way. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9cbUyo8SZI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9cbUyo8SZI) Even if they didn’t want to risk taking the signs down, they could put a big “DO NOT ENTER. NO SANCTUARY HERE” sign across their drive way. The were both passively and actively encouraging people to come. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076/49 "2014-10-23T16:02:29Z")
The whole thing kinda reminded me of the White Glove Society sub-quest in Fallout: New Vegas. Even in the post-apocalyptic wasteland (whether nuclear, zombie, or nuclear zombie) some things are just beyond the pale. Eating people is so stupid in so many ways it’s amazing that anyone would think it was a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076/50 "2014-10-23T18:27:03Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > I’m indifferent. If someone wants to eat me after I’m dead, I’m ok with that. That’s very Valentine Michael Smith of you. > [@GrumpyBunny](#): > > \ > If nothing else, Gareth and co have gone off a different deep end than the Governor. Ah, the Zombie Apocalypse - so many deep ends to go off of. I think if the Governor hadn’t gone on a murderous rampage, then yeah, maybe. In the ZA, security, safety, shelter, food, etc. is worth a little psychotic behaviour. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076/51 "2014-10-23T19:43:12Z")
> [@dracoi](#): > > Is this one of those morality questions where we say “Ted Bundy wasn’t that bad if you compare him to Hitler”? > > 'Cause I’m not buying it. All I owe the Gov is a boot right out of the storyline. After seeing Jeffery Dahmer, do we all owe Ted Bundy and apology? Not no, but Fuck No! ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076/52 "2014-10-23T23:45:01Z")
The only reason Woodbury wasn’t eating people was because the Governor hadn’t thought of that yet. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076/53 "2014-10-24T02:40:31Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > I’m indifferent. If someone wants to eat me after I’m dead, I’m ok with that. I’m cool with it too, but murdering me so you can eat me I have a problem with. Terminus was not practicing unusual funeral rites, they were luring people in to murder them for their meat.😛 ---
**Author:** ![kiz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7feea3/32.png) [@kiz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kiz)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076/54 "2014-10-24T11:56:04Z")
The Governor was your classic case of a sociopath. He killed for the sake of killing. Gareth, OTOH, is a lot more frightening because he doesn’t kill for the sake of killing. ---
**Author:** ![Lanzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/74df32/32.png) [@Lanzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lanzy)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076/55 "2014-10-24T13:47:11Z")
Not even the option of the Gov being worse? Cause he was. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076/56 "2014-10-24T14:00:39Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > And nobody mention Krendler. No such novel as _Hannibal_ was ever published; likewise _Hannibal Rising_. _sigh_ We’ve been over this before. Your preference for Starling when she was a well scrubbed, hustling rube with a little taste doesn’t undo the events in _Hannibal_. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076/57 "2014-10-24T19:30:59Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > _sigh_ > > We’ve been over this before. Your preference for Starling when she was a well scrubbed, hustling rube with a little taste doesn’t undo the events in _Hannibal_. In the first place, Starling was never a hustling rube with a little taste. Lecter’s opinion of her is automatically suspect on account of his being a sadistic monster who ate people. In the second place, I don’t despise _Hannibal_ because of what happens to Starling at the end. I despise _Hannibal_ because it’s incredibly poorly written. It’s like a parody of the excellent _Red Dragon_ and _Silence of the Lambs_. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076/58 "2014-10-24T19:38:12Z")
[QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer] In the second place, I don’t despise _Hannibal_ because of what happens to Starling at the end. I despise _Hannibal_ because it’s incredibly poorly written. It’s like a parody of the excellent _Red Dragon_ and _Silence of the Lambs_. [/QUOTE] Read it after reading _Hannibal Rising_- then it will read like Proust channeling Shakespeare. (_Hannibal Rising_ is my litmus test for godawful shite-stained no-other-reason-than-to-make-money writing.) ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076/59 "2014-10-24T19:42:42Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Read it after reading _Hannibal Rising_- then it will read like Proust channeling Shakespeare. (_Hannibal Rising_ is my litmus test for godawful shite-stained no-other-reason-than-to-make-money writing.) Already read HR. I will not inflict either on myself again. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076/60 "2014-10-24T19:53:19Z")
> [@kiz](#): > > The Governor was your classic case of a sociopath. He killed for the sake of killing. > > Gareth, OTOH, is a lot more frightening because he doesn’t kill for the sake of killing. No, Gareth CLAIMS that he doesn’t kill for the sake of killing. The fact that he found it desirable to explain to Bob why he was eating him, WHILE eating him, exposing his naked sadism. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-after-seeing-terminus-do-we-all-owe-the-governor-an-apology/702076.md?page=4)