# The Walking Dead: season 9 (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 7, 2018, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628 "2018-10-07T23:32:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/21 "2018-10-09T16:53:35Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Last time I was at the Museum of Natural History, it had a huge Mastodon in the entryway. that would be one heck of a zombie! ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/22 "2018-10-09T17:24:41Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Someone on the show had mentioned that they would be duplicating the steel plow. I assume they would also be duplicating the Conestoga wagon, and everything else they were liberating from the museum. > > 😃 How would they duplicate a steel plow? I mean, using what materials? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/23 "2018-10-09T18:05:35Z")
Steel and wood? ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/24 "2018-10-10T01:48:22Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Steel and wood? Well, yes, steel and wood would make a fine plow, yes, I agree. :rolleyes: They have wood. I admit I don’t know much if anything about it, but do they have the materials and wherewithal to make steel? Doesn’t that require iron ore, special materials and equipment? One thing to carve out handles for a plow, another thing to make the plow itself. Start up a foundry? I suppose it’s possible. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/25 "2018-10-10T02:00:51Z")
I haven’t watched the show in quite some time. I understand Carl is dead, not so? How old is his sister Judith supposed to be? I hated it when kids were killed, silly of me but that’s how I am. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/26 "2018-10-10T05:07:50Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > Well, yes, steel and wood would make a fine plow, yes, I agree. :rolleyes: > > They have wood. I admit I don’t know much if anything about it, but do they have the materials and wherewithal to make steel? Doesn’t that require iron ore, special materials and equipment? One thing to carve out handles for a plow, another thing to make the plow itself. > > Start up a foundry? I suppose it’s possible. There’s a blacksmith at Hilltop, as I recall it. I’m pretty sure we saw one there last season. There are IRL people who smith as a hobby, it’s not too unlikely that someone with smithing skills would turn up. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/27 "2018-10-10T05:14:21Z")
…turns out, on researching, that Kenny’s dad - the guy who attacked Maggie - IS the blacksmith. Which may be part of why he didn’t end up hanging next to Gregory. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/28 "2018-10-10T12:31:04Z")
How hard is it to take the virtually unlimited amount of metal that is laying everywhere and bash it into some sort of plow shape? ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/29 "2018-10-10T12:39:20Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > How hard is it to take the virtually unlimited amount of metal that is laying everywhere and bash it into some sort of plow shape? Not that difficult. They’re going to have steel available for years, if not decades. They really didn’t need to grab a plow from the museum- a book would’ve done just fine for learning how to make one. However, it’s very possible that they also needed one right away. Thinking about it, I’m kinda surprised they didn’t find a wagon and plow somewhat closer. I live in a pretty urban neighborhood, and there’s a guy just down the street from me with a collection of wagons and plows in his yard. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/30 "2018-10-10T15:10:36Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > Thinking about it, I’m kinda surprised they didn’t find a wagon and plow somewhat closer. I live in a pretty urban neighborhood, and there’s a guy just down the street from me with a collection of wagons and plows in his yard. Maybe there were closer plows and wagons, but getting them didn’t require walking over a glass floor above zombies, so that plan was deemed to easy 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/31 "2018-10-10T15:53:03Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > Wasn’t it the Georgia State Capitol Building? On the Talking Dead, some of the cast was on and said they filmed there while it was open and doing business (and Norman Reedus sat in and voted on a referendum, LOL). > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It was filmed at the Georgia State Capitol Building as a stand-in for the U.S. Capitol. AIUI, the Georgia State Capitol Building was standing in for a Washington museum. ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_Elk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Anne\_Elk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anne_Elk)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/32 "2018-10-10T16:29:17Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > Thinking about it, I’m kinda surprised they didn’t find a wagon and plow somewhat closer. I live in a pretty urban neighborhood, and there’s a guy just down the street from me with a collection of wagons and plows in his yard. How many Amish farmers are there in the south? I’m sure there is more plows unused by the plain zombies than there are in museums. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/33 "2018-10-10T22:45:00Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > How would they duplicate a steel plow? I mean, using what materials? If a sufficient amount of recyclable steel wasn’t available, iron, or even bronze, would do. Melt the metal, pour the molten metal into a easily workable form, let a farrier, or a blacksmith, heat and beat the plate/chunk of metal into a horseshoe, plow, wheel rims for wagons, etc. Plus - Eugene - besides telling the truth, what can’t that guy do? ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/34 "2018-10-10T22:52:33Z")
They made plows for 100s of years before modern steel mills. It’s possible they just wanted a pattern or example. Anywhoo, it was a unique supply run. How many years can they keep finding old sources of canned food. They have to start producing instead of looking for stuff. And sure Eugene and others have abilities that are going to be crucial. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/35 "2018-10-10T23:00:09Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > And sure Eugene and others have abilities that are going to be crucial. I still say they need to use the zombies as a resource. They can be rendered, and Eugene can make biodiesel. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/36 "2018-10-10T23:45:08Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > If a sufficient amount of recyclable steel wasn’t available, iron, or even bronze, would do. Melt the metal, pour the molten metal into a easily workable form, let a farrier, or a blacksmith, heat and beat the plate/chunk of metal into a horseshoe, plow, wheel rims for wagons, etc. > > Plus - Eugene - besides telling the truth, what can’t that guy do? OK. I see where ancient civilizations were able to make steel (and knowledge of that was lost, of course, in the Dark Ages). I’m sure someone will think of something,didn’t that woman who showed up last season hand them a book of ‘how to do stuff’? The thing is, people like Ken the blacksmith are killed off, they’re all hungry as hell, they’ve explored all around for miles and miles, they still have to fight off walkers. They better get those plows made and start planting seeds for more food right away. ---
**Author:** ![GoodOldKJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GoodOldKJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GoodOldKJ)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/37 "2018-10-11T07:06:35Z")
In the opening there was some mention of Hilltop getting a lot of metal to melt down from the Kingdom so they are well on their way to getting a smithing operation up and running. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/38 "2018-10-11T11:41:56Z")
If I’m understanding this right, the saviors can’t grow food because they live in a factory, which means they need Hilltop to provide food. That’s a reasonable source of conflict, since we all know there can’t possibly be any place else the saviors could settle. Nope, nowhere in all of Virginia they could find arable land. They _must_ stay at the factory. Yep, that checks out. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/39 "2018-10-11T13:57:31Z")
I enjoyed this. I have said for years they needed to pivot from showing a dying civilization to growing a new one and they are finally doing it. Raiding a museum for old style tech was clever and made for nice set pieces. Also I know many fans will hate it but I find problems that can’t be solved by shooting at each other interesting. Curious to see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/40 "2018-10-11T15:18:22Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > If I’m understanding this right, the saviors can’t grow food because they live in a factory, which means they need Hilltop to provide food. > > That’s a reasonable source of conflict, since we all know there can’t possibly be any place else the saviors could settle. Nope, nowhere in all of Virginia they could find arable land. They _must_ stay at the factory. > > Yep, that checks out. But it’s their HOME! They all have sentimental reasons for not leaving, like the time Neegan read them all The Night Before Christmas around the roaring furnace. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628.md?page=3)