# The Walking Dead: season 9 (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 7, 2018, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628 "2018-10-07T23:32:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/41 "2018-10-11T18:04:55Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > If I’m understanding this right, the saviors can’t grow food because they live in a factory, which means they need Hilltop to provide food. > > That’s a reasonable source of conflict, since we all know there can’t possibly be any place else the saviors could settle. Nope, nowhere in all of Virginia they could find arable land. They _must_ stay at the factory. > > Yep, that checks out. The Saviors didn’t grow their own food. They intimidated their neighbors into giving them food, supplies, and trained personnel (doctors, engineers, etc.) in exchange for protection from groups like the Saviors. It takes time to clear land, fence it, cultivate it, grow crops, and harvest them. I’m under the impression that the leadership is trying to find short term fixes. _We need food until we can grow our own. We need fuel (ethanol) until we can make our own. We need farm animals until we can raise our own. We need help, and protection, while rebuilding bridges and roads._ Self reliance seems to be the long term goal, but short term problems will provide the current drama. And the Whisperers. (Whoever they are?) ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/42 "2018-10-11T18:14:18Z")
Yep, them Whisperers haven’t shown up yet. Nicotero was wearing a shirt with the word Whisperers printed on it, on Talking dead. I think we will see them this season. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/43 "2018-10-11T18:46:20Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I think we will see them this season. On one of the previews it was mentioned that a work crew never made it back to Sanctuary. There were zombies about, and there’s a plot complication where a siren doesn’t work, but it seems pretty clear the Whisperers got the work crew. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/44 "2018-10-11T19:40:43Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > The Saviors didn’t grow their own food. They intimidated their neighbors into giving them food, supplies, and trained personnel (doctors, engineers, etc.) in exchange for protection from groups like the Saviors. > > It takes time to clear land, fence it, cultivate it, grow crops, and harvest them. I’m under the impression that the leadership is trying to find short term fixes. _We need food until we can grow our own. We need fuel (ethanol) until we can make our own. We need farm animals until we can raise our own. We need help, and protection, while rebuilding bridges and roads._ Self reliance seems to be the long term goal, but short term problems will provide the current drama. They’ve had time; it’s been 18 months since the previous season finale. During this episode they said over the radio that the Saviors’ crops failed. (Possibly “again.”) When Rick gets there and talks to Daryl about it, Daryl says that crops won’t grow there because it’s a factory. I’m just saying that, y’know, maybe, _just maybe_, they should have spent the previous 18 months locating and establishing a sustainable settlement for the Saviors that isn’t a factory. One where they could actually grow food. It’s not like they don’t have the manpower to clear land and set up fencing and/or walls. Surely the Alexandrians and Hilltoppers would much rather help them set up a sustainable home instead of just sending them unending food shipments. I guess what I’m saying is that the initial conflict they’re showing us is stupid and contrived. (I’m trying really hard not to say “like a comic book” here, but I guess I failed.) ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/45 "2018-10-12T15:59:46Z")
I don’t understand why they didn’t just move to Alexandria? ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/46 "2018-10-12T17:20:24Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Yep, them Whisperers haven’t shown up yet. Nicotero was wearing a shirt with the word Whisperers printed on it, on Talking dead. I think we will see them this season. In the new opening credits, there’s a stylized shot of a group of walkers… and one of them turns red. [You can see it here, at about the 34 second mark.](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/walking-dead-season-9-title-opening-credits-sequence-watch-1148606) ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/47 "2018-10-12T17:55:19Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I don’t understand why they didn’t just move to Alexandria? That I get, and seems very realistic to me. If I were an Alexandrian, there’s no way I’d want to live with any of the Saviors. It’s sort of similar to how and why Daryl and Maggie can never go to Alexandria because Negan is alive and well (and presumably in jail) there. I’m 100% on board with the idea that the Saviors need their own settlement. I suspect the only reason they’re still at the factory is because production really likes that set. If that’s the reason, fine, no harm no foul, but if that’s the case the one thing you can’t do is hang plot elements on the implausibility of it. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/48 "2018-10-12T18:01:30Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > That I get, and seems very realistic to me. If I were an Alexandrian, there’s no way I’d want to live with any of the Saviors. Ah, right. Fair enough. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/49 "2018-10-12T18:47:14Z")
I meant to mention I liked the new opening credits. The only thing I will miss is the door knob turning which I always found really creepy. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/50 "2018-10-12T19:19:32Z")
There are a lot of saviors. There is not room in Alex. for all of them. The junk yard is empty. They are in the south, there has to be many abandoned farms. Maybe a few big farming outfits. The saviors were a bit indoctrinated by the ‘we are negan’ thing. So maybe they are shell-shocked. In any case Daryl was the wrong person to put in charge. That should be Carol. But, I call foul. Unless that ground is permanently ruined by whatever kinda factory it was (?) It should grow crops. Surely there’s enough manure or fertilizer around to add to the soil. 18mos.worth of compost would help a bit. And that Maggie is turning into one tough cookie. Yay! ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/51 "2018-10-13T17:05:39Z")
Well I like where they’re going with Maggie. Still weird to hear Jadis speaking normally. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/52 "2018-10-13T18:33:13Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Well I like where they’re going with Maggie. Still weird to hear Jadis speaking normally. I missed Jadis in the episode. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/53 "2018-10-13T22:10:17Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I missed Jadis in the episode. When Gabriel stuck the zombie to the end of the “evolution of man” display, he chuckled about it with Jadis. ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2018, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/54 "2018-10-14T01:47:47Z")
My brain is apparently hibernating, somebody help me out. Where is Negan? What is his status? mmm ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2018, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/55 "2018-10-14T03:04:58Z")
He’s serving a life sentence in a jail cell in Alexandria. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2018, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/56 "2018-10-14T03:10:47Z")
Rick and crew caught him. His story isn’t over yet. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/57 "2018-10-15T04:20:06Z")
Something I missed–how did Gabriel lose an eye? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/58 "2018-10-15T06:11:16Z")
He got sick when Negan caught him. Supposedly from putting zombie guts allover themselves. He got a high fever and went partially blind. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/59 "2018-10-15T06:29:22Z")
I notice that Michonne, now Rick’s Woman and Judith’s Step-Mommy, the more domesticated she gets, the softer her voice and shorter her dreadlocks. ---
**Author:** ![McDeath\_the\_Mad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a3d4f5/32.png) [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/McDeath_the_Mad)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628/60 "2018-10-16T20:23:30Z")
Wow not much action here. So any thoughts on the helicopter? Do you think it’s Jadis imagining it? She’s the only one who’s “seen” it (on camera at least). I also think the “missing” saviors are being gathered by an ex-savior. Also what happened to the lady in the van that wanted the records from last season? MtM [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-season-9-open-spoilers/822628.md?page=4)