# The way the Democratic establishment is treating Bernie supporters is a blunder. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 27, 2016, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263 "2016-04-27T16:50:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263/161 "2016-04-28T17:23:50Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > If Bernie didn’t want to get screwed, he could have spent the last 12 years preparing to run, like Clinton did. She didn’t get screwed because she did the groundwork. (post shortened) Yes, Hillary has been running since Bill Clinton left office. She’s been pre-ordained by the political establishment and power brokers. And she still can’t put Bernie away. How is that possible? Apparently, a lot of voters don’t like Hillary. Apparently, a lot of voters prefer Bernie. Apparently, a lot of voters reject the spin, bias, and horseshit coming from the political pundits, media outlets, and Hillary worshipers. Life’s a bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263/162 "2016-04-28T17:27:32Z")
“Can’t put Bernie away?” Hillary has a more commanding lead over Sanders than Barack Obama ever had over her. She’s doing just fine, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263/163 "2016-04-28T17:36:41Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > Yes, Hillary has been running since Bill Clinton left office. She’s been pre-ordained by the political establishment and power brokers. > > And she still can’t put Bernie away. > > How is that possible? Apparently, a lot of voters don’t like Hillary. Apparently, a lot of voters prefer Bernie. Apparently, a lot of voters reject the spin, bias, and horseshit coming from the political pundits, media outlets, and Hillary worshipers. Life’s a bitch. Because even though the horserace has been over for quite some time - the media works on clicks - and everyone likes an underdog story. So it isn’t in anyone’s interest to “put him away” - except for Hillary’s - and it may even be in her best interest - she gets more coverage when he is in the race than she would uncontested - and he really hasn’t thrown anything at her she hasn’t fielded before. Bernie has funds to keep going and wants his issues out. The media wants the clicks of a competitive race - so they’ll make it seem more competitive than it is. Clinton wants the continued coverage which lets her talk about her issues and her approach. Yes, a lot of voters reject the spin, bias and horseshit - but MORE votes don’t. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263/164 "2016-04-28T17:41:50Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > And your point would be? Someone further up thread mentioned FDR and the dear Kaiser and how they moved left to placate the mobs. Well, the mobs in the US have the Democratic Party and thus they have Hillary. She doesn’t need to placate the far left. They are captive voters. She needs to appear moderate enough to capture the center. Now on to the ruling class comment. The ruling class desires power, naturally, thus the name “ruling class.” They get it via votes and or money. You get votes via sales and marketing techniques. Core convictions? That’s a marketing technique. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263/165 "2016-04-28T17:45:47Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Someone further up thread mentioned FDR and the dear Kaiser and how they moved left to placate the mobs. Well, the mobs in the US have the Democratic Party and thus they have Hillary. She doesn’t need to placate the far left. They are captive voters. She needs to appear moderate enough to capture the center. No, she doesn’t. If she’s running against Trump or Cruz, she can win without the center. So could Sanders. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263/166 "2016-04-28T17:47:27Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > …Yes, a lot of voters reject the spin, bias and horseshit - but MORE votes don’t. (post shortened) Seriously? Did you actually mean that MORE votes [sic] don’t reject the spin, bias, and horseshit? Personally, I believe that the way the Democratic establishment is treating Bernie supporters is a blunder. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263/167 "2016-04-28T17:50:38Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > Yes, Hillary has been running since Bill Clinton left office. She’s been pre-ordained by the political establishment and power brokers. > > And she still can’t put Bernie away. > > How is that possible? Apparently, a lot of voters don’t like Hillary. Apparently, a lot of voters prefer Bernie. Apparently, a lot of voters reject the spin, bias, and horseshit coming from the political pundits, media outlets, and Hillary worshipers. Life’s a bitch. I honestly don’t think there are many “Hillary worshipers” out there. There are many, like me, who are generally okay with her. As others have said, she’s doing fine. Everything is going to be okay. No need for excessive drama, this is what elections look like. (the other party, however, is fun to watch) ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263/168 "2016-04-28T17:51:29Z")
> [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](#): > > When independents have been allowed to vote in open primaries (which make up the great majority of primaries thus far) Clinton has done far, far better than Sanders. Yes, she has done even better in closed primaries, but let’s not make up information to suit a narrative. > > Open primaries won by Sanders: Vermont by a ton, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, RI by strong margins, and Michigan by a smidge (and possibly Utah, which I think was a caucus but I could be wrong). Six, possibly seven. > > Open primaries won by Clinton: virginia, NC, SC, GA, AL, MS, Tennessee, Arkansas, Texas, Ohio, and Arizona, all by margins of over ten points and usually well over ten points, plus narrow victories in MA, IL, and MO. Fourteen. 14\>7. > > It is simply untrue that Sanders is the people’s choice when “everyone” is allowed to vote. Well it’s great that you’re refuting something I’m not saying. But your also saying you don’t know that Hillary is the people’s choice because everyone didn’t get to vote. Not that it matters because you have to face the fact that right now Hillary has won a narrow majority of Democrats and some independents in a primary heavily weighted in her favor. You are in luck though, the GOP is falling apart and Bernie is doing the right thing and swinging around to support her and the Democratic party. Short of miracle she’ll be the next president with a solid majority of the vote. So I guess there’s no need for her to care about the people and she can go ahead with her secret plan make the world a big happy village. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263/169 "2016-04-28T17:53:18Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > So I guess there’s no need for her to care about the people and she can go ahead with her secret plan make the world a big happy village. She doesn’t care about “the people?” Where’d that come from? And why don’t we want a big happy village? ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263/170 "2016-04-28T17:54:29Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I think expecting the same coverage as Trump is a little delusional, though I understand it’s fair to complain about it. Meanwhile as to the media being in the bag for Hillary: > > (from the same month as your link) > [How much does Donald Trump dominate TV news coverage? This much](http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/06/media/donald-trump-nightly-news-coverage/) Indeed, studies have shown that Hillary Clinton gets the most NEGATIVE media coverage of any candidate… even Donald Trump: > **[Study: Hillary Clinton, not Donald Trump, gets the most negative media coverage](https://www.vox.com/2016/4/15/11410160/hillary-clinton-media-bernie-sanders)** > > Vox is a general interest news site for the 21st century. Its mission: to help everyone understand our complicated world, so that we can all help shape it. In text, video and audio, our reporters explain politics, policy, world affairs, technology,... ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263/171 "2016-04-28T17:55:19Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Well it’s great that you’re refuting something I’m not saying. But your also saying you don’t know that Hillary is the people’s choice because everyone didn’t get to vote. Not that it matters because you have to face the fact that right now Hillary has won a narrow majority of Democrats and some independents in a primary heavily weighted in her favor. You are in luck though, the GOP is falling apart and Bernie is doing the right thing and swinging around to support her and the Democratic party. Short of miracle she’ll be the next president with a solid majority of the vote. So I guess there’s no need for her to care about the people and she can go ahead with her secret plan make the world a big happy village. Jesus, is Hillary Derangement Syndrome a thing yet? Because some people sure have it right now… ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263/172 "2016-04-28T17:57:10Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Personally, I believe that the way the Democratic establishment is treating Bernie supporters is a blunder. So do I… but the exactly opposite way that you feel about it, I’m sure ;). I wouldn’t be adverse to telling these DINOs that if they don’t like how the Democratic Party is run, maybe they should just try to start their own party and see how far that gets them. The establishment should be actively nipping any left-wing Tea Party ideas in the bud. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263/173 "2016-04-28T18:02:24Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > Seriously? Did you actually mean that MORE votes [sic] don’t reject the spin, bias, and horseshit? > > Personally, I believe that the way the Democratic establishment is treating Bernie supporters is a blunder. Yes, she got more votes (and you are right, I left off the r when typing). Therefore, they don’t see the same thing you see. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263/174 "2016-04-28T18:05:54Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > Personally, I believe that the way the Democratic establishment is treating Bernie supporters is a blunder. That’s fascinating. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263/175 "2016-04-28T18:08:44Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > No, she doesn’t. If she’s running against Trump or Cruz, she can win without the center. So could Sanders. Sanders, a dangerous socialist, could win in the general? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263/176 "2016-04-28T18:10:33Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Sanders, a dangerous socialist, could win in the general? Against dangerous nutjobs like Cruz or Trump? Absolutely. [Note: there’s nothing that dangerous about Sanders] ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263/177 "2016-04-28T18:11:34Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Sanders, a dangerous socialist, could win in the general? Sanders is not a “dangerous socialist” – his brand of social democracy is not dangerous at all – and yes, he would beat Trump or Cruz. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263/178 "2016-04-28T18:16:32Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Sanders is not a “dangerous socialist” – his brand of social democracy is not dangerous at all – and yes, he would beat Trump or Cruz. Yes he is dangerous. If his ideas had a snowballs chance in Hell of implementation he’d be terribly dangerous to the country. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263/179 "2016-04-28T18:29:58Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Yes he is dangerous. If his ideas had a snowballs chance in Hell of implementation he’d be terribly dangerous to the country. His ideas are already in practice in a number of countries, which are doing quite well. No danger, no disaster. This is chicken little level talk right here. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263/180 "2016-04-28T18:35:43Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Yes he is dangerous. If his ideas had a snowballs chance in Hell of implementation he’d be terribly dangerous to the country. Social democracy is not dangerous to America. A $15 minimum wage is not dangerous. Single-payer healthcare is not dangerous. Publicly funded higher education is not dangerous. A reinvigorated labor movement is not dangerous. Not even a guaranteed basic income or a much more highly redistributive tax code would be dangerous. What on Earth are you talking about?! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-way-the-democratic-establishment-is-treating-bernie-supporters-is-a-blunder/753263.md?page=10)