# The "When Will Lane Kiffen be Fired?" Lottery (NFL Football) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 24, 2008, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-when-will-lane-kiffen-be-fired-lottery-nfl-football/465008 "2008-09-24T16:23:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-when-will-lane-kiffen-be-fired-lottery-nfl-football/465008/1 "2008-09-24T16:23:37Z")
Pick a day. You can even pick AM or PM if you want to. Your prize for winning is Al Davis hating you for predicting his actions. My wild-ass pick is Thursday, October 10th. This follows a bye week and is two days before a road game in New Orleans. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-when-will-lane-kiffen-be-fired-lottery-nfl-football/465008/2 "2008-09-24T16:27:54Z")
Today ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-when-will-lane-kiffen-be-fired-lottery-nfl-football/465008/3 "2008-09-24T16:35:47Z")
Tuesday, September 30th. They’ll be fresh off a loss to the Chargers, and Big Al will have two weeks to realize that no one else wants the job. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-when-will-lane-kiffen-be-fired-lottery-nfl-football/465008/4 "2008-09-24T16:49:44Z")
After Matt Millen, which proves there’s a tiny bit of justice in the cosmos after all. But I say Kiffin gets fired Friday at 1 pm Eastern. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2008, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-when-will-lane-kiffen-be-fired-lottery-nfl-football/465008/5 "2008-09-25T15:25:52Z")
Their bye is Week 5, so I’m going with this coming Monday (ie., the day after the Chargers game) ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2008, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-when-will-lane-kiffen-be-fired-lottery-nfl-football/465008/6 "2008-09-25T15:57:40Z")
Yeah; going into a bye week is the best time to do it, though I would never attribute conventional wisdom to Al Davis. As a side note, I think in-season firings are useless and shouldn’t be done unless there’s some kind of live boy/dead girl sort of situation or something. Nobody’s going to come in and coach the Raiders to one win more than Kiffin would have. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2008, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-when-will-lane-kiffen-be-fired-lottery-nfl-football/465008/7 "2008-09-25T16:33:00Z")
> [@An\_Arky](#): > > Yeah; going into a bye week is the best time to do it, though I would never attribute conventional wisdom to Al Davis. > > As a side note, I think in-season firings are useless and shouldn’t be done unless there’s some kind of live boy/dead girl sort of situation or something. Nobody’s going to come in and coach the Raiders to one win more than Kiffin would have. You’re absolutely right there… mid-season QB and coach changes are not about winning, they’re about showing you’re _trying_ to win. The Rams just benched Marc Bugler for Trent Green. ~40 year old Trent Green who was immobile in his prime and now might as well be nailed to the field. Steven Jackson isn’t performing any better than Bulger, but they’re not sitting _him_. Hey, Rams, you have the 31st-ranked offense, but you have the _32nd_-ranked defense. Bulger is not the problem. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2008, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-when-will-lane-kiffen-be-fired-lottery-nfl-football/465008/8 "2008-09-25T16:54:20Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Their bye is Week 5, so I’m going with this coming Monday (ie., the day after the Chargers game) That was going to be my guess, but I will go with PM after the Chargers game instead. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2008, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-when-will-lane-kiffen-be-fired-lottery-nfl-football/465008/9 "2008-09-25T22:58:24Z")
Man, all the good times are already taken. I guess I’ll take the beginning of the second drive of the third quarter: stadium security escorts an unsurprised Kiffin off the field while Davis chortles maniacally in his box. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-when-will-lane-kiffen-be-fired-lottery-nfl-football/465008/10 "2008-09-26T00:40:53Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > Man, all the good times are already taken. I guess I’ll take the beginning of the second drive of the third quarter: stadium security escorts an unsurprised Kiffin off the field while Davis chortles maniacally in his box. Might get the Raiders on Plays of the Week, at least. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dgrdfd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@dgrdfd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dgrdfd)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-when-will-lane-kiffen-be-fired-lottery-nfl-football/465008/11 "2008-09-26T02:00:15Z")
Man if Al would just leave his team alone. Regardless of what record and perception is, we really do have some talented young players on our team. They need some stability at the top to get anything done. But Al is stuck in the past. The Raiders have a possible franchise QB in Russell, franchise running backs in DMAC and Michael Bush - who prior to his injury was a projected first round pick and hasn’t shown any side effects in the NFL, a franchise TE in Miller who has put up numbers like Gonzalez in his first year. Not to mention terrific cornerbacks in Nhamdi Asomough and decent Deangelo Hall, and Morrision and Howard at linebackers. Johnnie Lee Higgins has shown up on special teams when he doesn’t fumble, too. On paper we really do have a decent team if Al would stay the hell out of everything and let coaches coach and hire a GM. Oh, and Rob Ryan would quit with his prevent defense. Just blitz and let the cornerbacks play man to man. And I don’t know that he will be fired after the Chargers game. Kind of hard to fire a man after getting a win. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-when-will-lane-kiffen-be-fired-lottery-nfl-football/465008/12 "2008-09-30T17:06:17Z")
It’s getting [close](http://www.mercurynews.com/raiders/ci_10594624). If it is today, **Really Not All That Bright** is closest. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-when-will-lane-kiffen-be-fired-lottery-nfl-football/465008/13 "2008-09-30T17:22:45Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > It’s getting [close](http://www.mercurynews.com/raiders/ci_10594624). If it is today, **Really Not All That Bright** is closest. Actually, I’ve already been eliminated- **Hal Briston** picked today in post #3. _shakes fist_ If I could pick a new date, I’d say after the season. I don’t know what Al is waiting for, but apparently it wasn’t 0-4, so he’ll spend the rest of the year trying to get Kiffin to quit so he won’t have to pay him. The league really needs to step in. Considering its “no funny business of any kind” policies, a team owner deliberately sabotaging his own coach is, frankly, unconscionable. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-when-will-lane-kiffen-be-fired-lottery-nfl-football/465008/14 "2008-09-30T17:34:44Z")
[It’s happened.](http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3617977) 9:15 Pacific via a phone call from Al. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-when-will-lane-kiffen-be-fired-lottery-nfl-football/465008/15 "2008-09-30T17:42:24Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > Today I was right. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-when-will-lane-kiffen-be-fired-lottery-nfl-football/465008/16 "2008-09-30T17:43:04Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > [It’s happened.](http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3617977) 9:15 Pacific via a phone call from Al. Without pay. Oh, Al. One would think you learned your lesson after _The Mike Shanahan Affair_. **Hal Briston** wins… the Raiders’ head coaching job. Rest in peace, Hal. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-when-will-lane-kiffen-be-fired-lottery-nfl-football/465008/17 "2008-09-30T17:53:54Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > [It’s happened.](http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3617977) 9:15 Pacific via a phone call from Al. Fuck. :mad: Well there goes any chance we had of picking up another win this season. With our luck (and Al’s fucked judgment) Ryan will get the head spot. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-when-will-lane-kiffen-be-fired-lottery-nfl-football/465008/18 "2008-09-30T18:53:42Z")
[Officially official](http://www.raiders.com/Common/Article.aspx?id=53682). “For cause” my ass. The Raiders will not win a playoff game with Al Davis in control of the team. I’d be surprised with a winning season. Callers into the local sports radio station are pining over getting Bill Cowher. No sane football coach with any experience or reputation will even sniff at this job, which is why they got Kiffen in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-when-will-lane-kiffen-be-fired-lottery-nfl-football/465008/19 "2008-09-30T18:57:39Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > [Officially official](http://www.raiders.com/Common/Article.aspx?id=53682). “For cause” my ass. I assumed they accidentally omitted the words “cause I said so,” or “cause I don’t know what I’m doing.” ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-when-will-lane-kiffen-be-fired-lottery-nfl-football/465008/20 "2008-09-30T19:11:59Z")
Now it could get really interesting if Herm Edwards or Norv Turner get dumped at the end of the season, Kiffin is called in to coach, and the Raiders go on a long, undistinguished losing streak against said team. Not very likely to happen, yet it would be delicious. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-when-will-lane-kiffen-be-fired-lottery-nfl-football/465008.md?page=2)