# The whiny impotent sychophant little impotent bitches in Beijing and the Noble prize **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 6, 2010, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-whiny-impotent-sychophant-little-impotent-bitches-in-beijing-and-the-noble-prize/559660 "2010-11-06T02:36:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-whiny-impotent-sychophant-little-impotent-bitches-in-beijing-and-the-noble-prize/559660/1 "2010-11-06T02:36:38Z")
If the Chinese government thinks they’re so great. Why are they so threatened by free speech? I’m going to warn you now, if you’re in that incompetently ran cowardly country. This thread is subversive speech. You can’t be reading this because your leaders are pieces of shit, and would do well to have their testicles slammed in a car door until their shattered anatomy oozes down their pant legs. The butchers, murders of Tienanmen Square, the cowards terrified of peaceful protesters, of religious freedom, and most importantly free speech are throwing the most epic bitch fit because someone who peacefully advocated humans rights is going to get a Noble Prize. Hell the thread title is probably subversive speech. Is GD even legal to have open at all as long as this thread is there? If it’s not legal, what does that say when your leaders are so retarded a guy half way across the world can make you break the law? Other countries have free speech, and people are pretty happy with it, happier than people without it. If China isn’t ran by herpes and aids dripping whores, lower than baboon shit, why can’t China? Why would a country not ran by inbred Jerry Springer rejects deny the best for it’s people? [And I quote:](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/david-cameron/8113324/David-Cameron-to-face-Chinas-wrath-over-Nobel-Laureate.html) > [@](#): > > Cui Tiankai, one of China’s most senior diplomats and the lead negotiator at the upcoming Group of 20 nations summit in Seoul, said yesterday that a plea on behalf of Mr Liu would be taken by Beijing as a direct attack on China’s legal system. > > “The choice before some European countries and others is clear and simple: do they want to be part of the political game to challenge China’s judicial system or do they want to develop a true friendly relationship with the Chinese government and people?” He added: “If they make the wrong choice, they will have to bear the consequences”. Aww little retard babies are being picked on by the big bad Noble Peace Prize Committee:(. Maybe shooting a few thousand more peaceful hunger strikers might the Chinese government feel better. Little goat suckers can’t even live up to the lies in their retardopia, specifically: [Chinese Constitution](http://english.people.com.cn/constitution/constitution.html) > [@](#): > > Article 35. Citizens of the People’s Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration. Seriously this OP was over the top and I know it. The point, however is that I could edit that OP to be about any leader in the US and be fine. The walls won’t cave in, at worst I might look like a retard, and at best I might make an insightful point. If I emailed Obama to ask him what’s like being an Athiest Muslim Socialist, and full of a similar toned screed, my family wouldn’t get a bill for the bullet, if any response at all, I’d probably get an email that says “Tao, I’m very disappointed that feel you that way..”. Although disappointing Obama would seem worse than the bullet. If one man getting a Noble Prize is dangerous to their fragile system, what does that say about the utility of their system? How can the Chinese state not see, that by acting a rabid Gorilla that’s also 4 days into quitting smoking (and just zipped it’s self in it’s fly after peeing), over a peaceful award, that they show themselves to be very distrustful and fearful of the strength of their own governing? Are they really this stupid? ---
**Author:** ![Peeta\_Mellark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bc8723/32.png) [@Peeta\_Mellark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peeta_Mellark)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-whiny-impotent-sychophant-little-impotent-bitches-in-beijing-and-the-noble-prize/559660/2 "2010-11-06T03:20:15Z")
I found this OP offensive to whores and retards. (Are you sure you put this in the right forum? I don’t really see a debate.) ---
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-whiny-impotent-sychophant-little-impotent-bitches-in-beijing-and-the-noble-prize/559660/3 "2010-11-06T03:24:18Z")
Kinda like Jerry Fawell’s interview in Hustler. Had they studied the particulars of that article, the PRC would have commented quietly that “This is an interference with their internal affairs” and “No, we’re not going to release him anytime soon. End of discussion.” And then kept their mouth shut. Perhaps they have a treaty with the NORK’s about saving face: whoever is the loudest is the coolest. But saving face they did… The result? For all their new found pride, they still rank klutz third-class in the arena of public relations when dealing with outside criticism. (OTOH, it’ll be a long time before we ever see an opening Olympic ceremony like that!) Just enjoy them digging the hole deeper as our Scandinavian cousins tell the PRC (using their own words) to “stop interfering with their internal affairs.” Falwell wasn’t destroyed by Hustler now was he? I suspect the outrage also suggests the government is quite brittle and nervous that suddenly a 100,000,000 citizens will suddenly demand their rights and will be quite clueless how to handle it without a lot of intimidation and violence. Also, I suspect it’s more for internal consumption then anything else. Frankly, just how important is the Noble prize in east Asia? Is it something people want to strive for? Or is it one of them “Western thangs” that they find annoying? I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-whiny-impotent-sychophant-little-impotent-bitches-in-beijing-and-the-noble-prize/559660/4 "2010-11-06T03:36:42Z")
Dude, it’s NOBEL not Noble. Go ahead and rant incoherently, but at least get that bit right. (Also I don’t think “sycophant” means what you think it means.) Other than that, I think the Chinese government is actually remarkably competent when you consider the vastness of the population and the size of the country, and the improvements in life there for the very poor over the past few years: spend time in China, then in India, to compare. Furthermore, could you imagine the Federal government successfully making policy for a country the size of the US, but four times the number of people? Starting, within living memory, from a largely impoverished feudal/agrarian base? Yeah, former regimes killed, or by policy allowed to die, tens of millions of people to get to where they are today, the current government’s record on human rights (and environment, healthcare, etc.) is execrable, and they’re hypocritical about their constitution. I wish it were different and that this poor guy wasn’t in jail. I fully support human rights in China - I’m even friends with one of the leading Tiananmen Square dissidents (in exile) - but external criticism of the Nobel kind appears in this case to be counterproductive. Sadly, IMO, the only way human rights will improve there is if change comes from within. Or major trading partners put their money where their mouth is WRT human rights - which [ain’t](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_favoured_nation#United_States) [going](http://www.cbbc.org/) to [happen](http://www.norway.cn/Embassy/Norway-and-China/Bilateral-cooperation/NCCC_in_Norway/). As for “stupidity” and “klutz third-class”, I think you and **user\_hostile** misinterpret what’s going on: China is vast, it dominates the region, and the government is rabidly nationalistic, permanently defensive against outside criticism, and very strong on rhetoric. Hell, you should hear what they used to say about Chris Patten\*. The stated stance on this dissident, that you rightly condemn, is like an elephant swishing its tail at a bacterium - but most importantly _ **it’s aimed at a domestic audience** _, the majority of whom will lap it up. They don’t give a flying fuck what we think. In other words: authoritarian country acts in authoritarian manner. :eek: \*[“Patten was… denounced by the PRC government as the ‘whore of the East,’ a ‘serpent’ and a ‘criminal who would be condemned for a thousand generations’…”](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Patten#Governor_of_Hong_Kong) ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-whiny-impotent-sychophant-little-impotent-bitches-in-beijing-and-the-noble-prize/559660/5 "2010-11-06T03:37:39Z")
This is the second thread in the last month about China and the Nobel Prize ([here’s the other](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=582384)). In both cases, the OP apparently doesn’t know the difference between Noble and Nobel. ---
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-whiny-impotent-sychophant-little-impotent-bitches-in-beijing-and-the-noble-prize/559660/6 "2010-11-06T04:59:47Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > Dude, it’s NOBEL not Noble. Go ahead and rant incoherently, but at least get that bit right. D’oh! :smack: Always confusing Xenon with Alfred’s prize. > [@jjimm](#): > > As for “stupidity” and “klutz third-class”, I think you and **user\_hostile** misinterpret what’s going on: China is vast, it dominates the region, and the government is rabidly nationalistic, permanently defensive against outside criticism, and very strong on rhetoric . . . The stated stance on this dissident, that you rightly condemn, is like an elephant swishing its tail at a bacterium - but most importantly _ **it’s aimed at a domestic audience** _, the majority of whom will lap it up. They don’t give a flying fuck what we think. To which I reply: > [@](#): > > . . . Also, I suspect it’s more for internal consumption then anything else . . . which you confirmed. Ignorance fought. Thankyouverymuch. > [@jjimm](#): > > In other words: authoritarian country acts in authoritarian manner. :eek: Well, duh. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-whiny-impotent-sychophant-little-impotent-bitches-in-beijing-and-the-noble-prize/559660/7 "2010-11-06T05:24:52Z")
Moved to the Pit from Great Debates. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-whiny-impotent-sychophant-little-impotent-bitches-in-beijing-and-the-noble-prize/559660/8 "2010-11-06T08:20:20Z")
> [@user\_hostile](#): > > which you confirmed. Ignorance fought. Thankyouverymuch. Sorry, missed that bit in your post. > [@user\_hostile](#): > > Well, duh. This sums up my feelings about the OP’s rant rather succinctly. ---
**Author:** ![kidneyfailure](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9f8e36/32.png) [@kidneyfailure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidneyfailure)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-whiny-impotent-sychophant-little-impotent-bitches-in-beijing-and-the-noble-prize/559660/9 "2010-11-06T23:38:44Z")
Damn, “condemned for a thousand generations?” That’s rough… ---
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2010, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-whiny-impotent-sychophant-little-impotent-bitches-in-beijing-and-the-noble-prize/559660/10 "2010-11-07T03:35:07Z")
> [@kidneyfailure](#): > > Damn, “condemned for a thousand generations?” That’s rough… Beats death-by-a-thousand-cuts. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-whiny-impotent-sychophant-little-impotent-bitches-in-beijing-and-the-noble-prize/559660/11 "2010-11-19T03:49:42Z")
Seems like a good place to mention: [Six countries say they will not attend peace prize ceremony](http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/11/18/norway.nobel.attendees/index.html?iref=allsearch). China (of course), Russia, Kazakhstan, Cuba, Morocco and Iraq. BBC reports that China has been blitzing the embassies in Oslo with warnings that there will be “consequences” if they attend the ceremony. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-whiny-impotent-sychophant-little-impotent-bitches-in-beijing-and-the-noble-prize/559660/12 "2010-11-19T08:29:17Z")
> [@kidneyfailure](#): > > Damn, “condemned for a thousand generations?” That’s rough… I dunno. I don’t like the softening by using condemned instead of damned. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-whiny-impotent-sychophant-little-impotent-bitches-in-beijing-and-the-noble-prize/559660/13 "2010-11-19T11:28:23Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > If the Chinese government thinks they’re so great. Why are they so threatened by free speech? > > I’m going to warn you now, if you’re in that incompetently ran…(frothing rant snipped) Not sure that “incompetent” describes a rising economic superpower such as China. Major consumer goods manufacturers would certainly disagree with you there. and, remind me, what are you typing your messages on again? Dissent and protest also begin at home you know. ---
**Author:** ![kferr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/71e660/32.png) [@kferr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kferr)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-whiny-impotent-sychophant-little-impotent-bitches-in-beijing-and-the-noble-prize/559660/14 "2010-11-19T13:37:39Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > Dude, it’s NOBEL not Noble. Go ahead and rant incoherently, but at least get that bit right. China is nobly trying to nobble the Nobel. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-whiny-impotent-sychophant-little-impotent-bitches-in-beijing-and-the-noble-prize/559660/15 "2010-11-19T15:10:04Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Seems like a good place to mention: [Six countries say they will not attend peace prize ceremony](http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/11/18/norway.nobel.attendees/index.html?iref=allsearch). China (of course), Russia, Kazakhstan, Cuba, Morocco and Iraq. > > BBC reports that China has been blitzing the embassies in Oslo with warnings that there will be “consequences” if they attend the ceremony. Now BBC is saying Russia is denying it plans to boycott the prize ceremony, it’s just that their ambassador to Norway is scheduled to be out of the country at that time. Just bad luck. But they’re not saying where it is he’s going. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-whiny-impotent-sychophant-little-impotent-bitches-in-beijing-and-the-noble-prize/559660/16 "2010-11-19T15:29:39Z")
This prize for extra-special braininess requests personal attendance, in Oslo, in November/December. I see. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-whiny-impotent-sychophant-little-impotent-bitches-in-beijing-and-the-noble-prize/559660/17 "2010-11-19T17:30:54Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Now BBC is saying Russia is denying it plans to boycott the prize ceremony, it’s just that their ambassador to Norway is scheduled to be out of the country at that time. Just bad luck. But they’re not saying where it is he’s going. Sure Russia. Then how about a congratulatory message sent on the behalf of your ambassador supporting the rights and freedoms this man has fought and been jailed for, along with a call for China’s government to stop repressing freedom of speech? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2010, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-whiny-impotent-sychophant-little-impotent-bitches-in-beijing-and-the-noble-prize/559660/18 "2010-11-20T00:26:01Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Sure Russia. Then how about a congratulatory message sent on the behalf of your ambassador supporting the rights and freedoms this man has fought and been jailed for, along with a call for China’s government to stop repressing freedom of speech? Their telegrapher has the day off too, no doubt.