# The white hood: heritage, not hate! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 21, 2015, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050 "2015-06-21T02:50:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050/321 "2015-06-24T05:46:50Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > This ignores of course that Washington ordered that his slaves be freed upon the death of his wife and Jefferson fought for gradual abolitionist measures. Not to mention that the logic of this would lead us to condemn every pre-Enlightenment Western figure as well as virtually every non-Western figure until the late 19th if not early 20th Centuries. Please refer to post 320 ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050/322 "2015-06-24T05:50:54Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > Please refer to post 320 Abolitionism didn’t exist until the late 18th Century. So was everyone before that time evil? ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050/323 "2015-06-24T06:01:39Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Abolitionism didn’t exist until the late 18th Century. So was everyone before that time evil? That is a very interesting question. During the Roman Empire there was no such thing as an Abolitionist movement. Well, technically, the Stoics were against it but only on philosophical terms, they disagreed with it but they did nothing to stop it. And even then the only evidence that they felt this way was in a couple of passages of their writings. Again, no actin taken to follow through on the ideal. Only that, like literally two or maybe five passages in some book/scroll, that is the total amount of objection to the institution of Slavery in the Roman Empire. On the other hand, so many slaves had been set free by their masters that they tried to set laws against setting slaves free. That seems to be kind of a weird dynamic, does it not? No official condemnation of slavery but setting slaves free seemed to be a rather common practice. I don’t swear by these details. It is what I seem to remember from googling “Abolitionists in the Roman Empire” a while back. I really don’t know how we can judge people from thousands of years ago. Ignorance may very well be an excuse. But it is not an excuse for George Washington since plenty of people actually were Abolitionists at the exact same time he owned slaves. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050/324 "2015-06-24T06:09:33Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > That is a very interesting question. During the Roman Empire there was no such thing as an Abolitionist movement. Well, technically, the Stoics were against it but only on philosophical terms, they disagreed with it but they did nothing to stop it. And even then the only evidence that they felt this way was in a couple of passages of their writings. Again, no actin taken to follow through on the ideal. Only that, like literally two or maybe five passages in some book/scroll, that is the total amount of objection to the institution of Slavery in the Roman Empire. > > On the other hand, so many slaves had been set free by their masters that they tried to set laws against setting slaves free. That seems to be kind of a weird dynamic, does it not? No official condemnation of slavery but setting slaves free seemed to be a rather common practice. The slaves who were freed tended to be the favourites of their former masters, thus being more out of personal favour than any systematic opposition to the institution. Hence a slaveowner who might free (say) their former tutor could still very well keep fifty working on his farm. > [@](#): > > I don’t swear by these details. It is what I seem to remember from googling “Abolitionists in the Roman Empire” a while back. I really don’t know how we can judge people from thousands of years ago. Ignorance may very well be an excuse. But it is not an excuse for George Washington since plenty of people actually were Abolitionists at the exact same time he owned slaves. The abolitionist movement came into being only in the last years of Washington’s life and as noted above Washington freed his slaves in his will. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050/325 "2015-06-24T06:13:33Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > This ignores of course that Washington ordered that his slaves be freed upon the death of his wife and Jefferson fought for gradual abolitionist measures. Not to mention that the logic of this would lead us to condemn every pre-Enlightenment Western figure as well as virtually every non-Western figure until the late 19th if not early 20th Centuries. > [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > So what did Forrest do that was notable besides committing massacres in a rebellion against the US government and founding a terrorist organization after the war? The fact that he was notable obviously seems sufficient. We have a Sherman tank, a Hellfire missile, etc. Not all names are rewards for a beatific life. Lots of the people in the past and a good portion of the most noteworthy have aspects that judged from the standards of today are quite bad. > [@Robert163](#): > > Not if you owned another human being you can’t. That’s not just a “flaw”. Owning another human being is not “just a flaw”. It is evil. And before you say, well it was a long time ago and the culture was different back then, there were plenty of people who DIDN’T own human beings back them. Some of them even fought back against the process. Those people were called: Abolitionists. That’s a valid point of view, though I doubt it will ever gain traction. Maybe when the perfect machines replace us and everything is named some variant of 010001001001010 we’ll be free of historical baggage. What of societies that benefited from the presence of slavery like Rome and Greece or enlightenment era Europe? Should the freed up labor that serfdom and slavery enabled yet led in some manner to great advances be dismissed or discarded as being tainted? What about people who buy goods that are made by virtual slaves in the now? That $3 Confederate Flag t-shirt’s greatest offense is being made by labor that enables a $3 t-shirt it could be argued. Not the image on it. > [@BrightNShiny](#): > > Oh, please. Your characterization of this issue as “people looking to be offended” makes it clear what kind of person you are. I’m not looking to be offended. I am offended by the murder of four little girls in a church bombing. I am offended by the murder of Martin Luther King, Jr. and Medgar Evers. I am offended by the execution style killing of three civil rights workers for trying to register people to vote. You, on the other hand, are a terrible person who is trying to minimize what a bunch of monsters did while flying that flag. A terrible person? Oh no, some random person on the internet has an opinion and a place to express it. I could respond with an equally juvenile insult about you and would probably be a more accurate reflection of your character, but why? Anyone can type nonsensical insults like elementary school children. Making a coherent argument takes a bit more work, even if the troll, and you are trolling, responding to it can’t comprehend it. You derive satisfaction from name calling because? ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050/326 "2015-06-24T06:15:40Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > Not if you owned another human being you can’t. That’s not just a “flaw”. Owning another human being is not “just a flaw”. It is evil. And before you say, well it was a long time ago and the culture was different back then, there were plenty of people who DIDN’T own human beings back them. Some of them even fought back against the process. Those people were called: Abolitionists. Wikipedia: [INDENT][INDENT]Washington was the only Southern slaveholding Founding Father among the top seven to emancipate his slaves after the American Revolution. Of the seven Founding Fathers, the northerners Benjamin Franklin and John Jay both owned slaves whom they freed, and Jay founded the New York Manumission Society.[23] He had a practice of freeing slaves as adults after a period of service. In 1798, the year before New York passed its gradual emancipation law, Jay still owned eight slaves.[24] [/INDENT][/INDENT] I think you should take into account the social standards of the time. And yes, those social standards include those who opposed slavery and those who seeked to unwind it. Jefferson wasn’t too fond of slavery, but his finances were too weak (due to among other things endless tinkering with Montecello) for him to free his slaves. That was his choice. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050/327 "2015-06-24T06:20:08Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > The slaves who were freed tended to be the favourites of their former masters, thus being more out of personal favour than any systematic opposition to the institution. Hence a slaveowner who might free (say) their former tutor could still very well keep fifty working on his farm. good point > [@](#): > > The abolitionist movement came into being only in the last years of Washington’s life and as noted above Washington freed his slaves in his will. Hmmm… you seem to know more than me. I like history, I am not a history expert. But a quick google of Abolitionist Movement USA yields (from Wikipedia): The beginnings The first attempt to end slavery in the English colonies in North America came from Roger Williams and Samuel Gorton, who made slavery illegal in Rhode Island in 1652. In their view, slavery contradicted their Protestant beliefs. But this anti-slavery law was disregarded in 1700 when the colony became involved in slave trade. George Washington Was born in 1732. That is 80 years after 1652. ---
**Author:** ![BrightNShiny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@BrightNShiny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrightNShiny)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050/328 "2015-06-24T06:21:11Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > A terrible person? Oh no, some random person on the internet has an opinion and a place to express it. I could respond with an equally juvenile insult about you and would probably be a more accurate reflection of your character, but why? Anyone can type nonsensical insults like elementary school children. Making a coherent argument takes a bit more work, even if the troll, and you are trolling, responding to it can’t comprehend it. You derive satisfaction from name calling because? I made my argument and you ignored it. If someone was walking around the US waving an al-Queda flag (or whatever symbol they have), they’d be a terrible person. And anyone who tried to minimize what al-Queda did and does would be a terrible person. There’s no difference in what you are doing. The only troll here is you. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050/329 "2015-06-24T06:22:06Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Wikipedia: [INDENT][INDENT]Washington was the only Southern slaveholding Founding Father among the top seven to emancipate his slaves after the American Revolution. Of the seven Founding Fathers, the northerners Benjamin Franklin and John Jay both owned slaves whom they freed, and Jay founded the New York Manumission Society.[23] He had a practice of freeing slaves as adults after a period of service. In 1798, the year before New York passed its gradual emancipation law, Jay still owned eight slaves.[24] [/INDENT][/INDENT] I think you should take into account the social standards of the time. And yes, those social standards include those who opposed slavery and those who seeked to unwind it. > > Jefferson wasn’t too fond of slavery, but his finances were too weak (due to among other things endless tinkering with Montecello) for him to free his slaves. That was his choice. > [@](#): > > And yes, those social standards include those who opposed slavery and those who seeked to unwind it. … ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050/330 "2015-06-24T06:24:02Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The fact that he was notable obviously seems sufficient. We have a Sherman tank, a Hellfire missile, etc. Not all names are rewards for a beatific life. Lots of the people in the past and a good portion of the most noteworthy have aspects that judged from the standards of today are quite bad. That’s different from someone who’s main influence on society was almost wholly negative like Forrest who was widely abhorred for his actions _in his day_. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050/331 "2015-06-24T06:31:09Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > good point > > Hmmm… you seem to know more than me. I like history, I am not a history expert. But a quick google of Abolitionist Movement USA yields (from Wikipedia): > > The beginnings > > The first attempt to end slavery in the English colonies in North America came from Roger Williams and Samuel Gorton, who made slavery illegal in Rhode Island in 1652. In their view, slavery contradicted their Protestant beliefs. But this anti-slavery law was disregarded in 1700 when the colony became involved in slave trade. > > George Washington Was born in 1732. That is 80 years after 1652. Individual abolitionists have to be distinguished form a wholesale abolitionist movement that not just avoided personally practicing slavery but sought to end it in society as a whole. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050/332 "2015-06-24T06:36:26Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Individual abolitionists have to be distinguished form a wholesale abolitionist movement that not just avoided personally practicing slavery but sought to end it in society as a whole. Look, I am kind of stubborn and don’t like admitting I am wrong. But perhaps I am wrong here. I’m not even going to bother looking for sources, you don’t need to either, if you tell me you know something about this I will believe you. My point is, it seems to be a common point of American Trivia that the Founding Fathers were deeply and passionately divided on the issue of slavery. Do I have that conception wrong or is it true that they were in fact, deeply divided on this issue. If they were deeply divided, how does Washington get a pass on the morality of the whole issue. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050/333 "2015-06-24T06:39:00Z")
> [@BrightNShiny](#): > > I made my argument and you ignored it. If someone was walking around the US waving an al-Queda flag (or whatever symbol they have), they’d be a terrible person. And anyone who tried to minimize what al-Queda did and does would be a terrible person. > > There’s no difference in what you are doing. The only troll here is you. You made no coherent argument. You gave your opinion on a series of events, an opinion which I agree with, and then you made a baseless inaccurate attack. I know certain concepts are hard to understand. Such as not every assumption one may make of another’s knowledge set and intent is correct. And mindset and action are not equivalent concepts. These are hard concepts to learn. It usually takes a human infant at least 12 years to grasp them. You are the same sort of person who thinks that the defense of the concept of democracy and freedom of expression is equivalent to agreement with what democracy produces or what a particular expression is. The fact that I have to explain this as if I’m talking to my child when you are presumably a grown and educated adult is disheartening. If I saw someone with an Al-Qaeda flag, assuming I recognized it as such, I’d be suspicious because flying such a flag in America at least is pretty rare. Whereas the Confederate Flag is not rare and is flown for a variety of reasons, even if you prefer to be blind to that. I’m glad you brought Al-Qaeda up. At what point is an organization fighting a legitimate war against imperial overreach? I don’t agree with their aims or their methods but Al-Qaeda, from what I know of them, had a certain logic to their attacks on 9/11. It wasn’t just shooting up churches randomly. Modern insurrection is an entirely different topic and I am not hoping to derail this fine conversation further. Maybe a great debate about Ends Justifying Means someday. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050/334 "2015-06-24T06:46:08Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You made no coherent argument. You gave your opinion on a series of events, an opinion which I agree with, and then you made a baseless inaccurate attack. I know certain concepts are hard to understand. Such as not every assumption one may make of another’s knowledge set and intent is correct. And mindset and action are not equivalent concepts. These are hard concepts to learn. It usually takes a human infant at least 12 years to grasp them… Actually your frank admittance of the horrors of slavery combined with your apprehension to have streets renamed that are named for confederate generals makes me heavily question your sincerity or legitimacy. In other words, it is your reasoning that is incoherent. ---
**Author:** ![BrightNShiny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@BrightNShiny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrightNShiny)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050/335 "2015-06-24T06:51:12Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You made no coherent argument. You gave your opinion on a series of events, an opinion which I agree with, and then you made a baseless inaccurate attack. Nope, it’s completely accurate, you troll. > [@](#): > > I know certain concepts are hard to understand. Such as not every assumption one may make of another’s knowledge set and intent is correct. And mindset and action are not equivalent concepts. These are hard concepts to learn. It usually takes a human infant at least 12 years to grasp them. Given that you seem to be pig ignorant about the history of this country and that flag, you are in no position to insult anyone’s intelligence. > [@](#): > > You are the same sort of person who thinks that the defense of the concept of democracy and freedom of expression is equivalent to agreement with what democracy produces or what a particular expression is. The fact that I have to explain this as if I’m talking to my child when you are presumably a grown and educated adult is disheartening. Now, talk about baseless attacks. You’re getting your immoral ass handed back to you, so you resort to making up strawmen. > [@](#): > > If I saw someone with an Al-Qaeda flag, assuming I recognized it as such, I’d be suspicious because flying such a flag in America at least is pretty rare. Whereas the Confederate Flag is not rare and is flown for a variety of reasons, even if you prefer to be blind to that. I’m not blind to anything you immoral shithead. You are blind to the decades of terrorism that happened within living memory. > [@](#): > > I’m glad you brought Al-Qaeda up. At what point is an organization fighting a legitimate war against imperial overreach? I don’t agree with their aims or their methods but Al-Qaeda, from what I know of them, had a certain logic to their attacks on 9/11. It wasn’t just shooting up churches randomly. Modern insurrection is an entirely different topic and I am not hoping to derail this fine conversation further. Maybe a great debate about Ends Justifying Means someday. Wow, just wow. But thanks for proving what again what a terrible person you are. Newsflash, dickhead. Flying a flag of terrorism in front of victims of that terrorism is disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050/336 "2015-06-24T06:53:13Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > Actually your frank admittance of the horrors of slavery combined with your apprehension to have streets renamed that are named for confederate generals makes me heavily question your sincerity or legitimacy. In other words, it is your reasoning that is incoherent. How so? You don’t see the dangers in the opening of a Pandora’s Box of empowering the most vocal and easily aggrieved members of society? I don’t have much patience for endless hysteria, ‘debates’, and finger pointing among conflict driven media personalities. Just in this thread we are splitting hairs over slavers and slave owners and whether such ought to disqualify one. The acrimony wouldn’t end there. Bury the hatchet. Realize history and life are full of ugliness that cannot be excised without harm and move on. We pragmatically turned a blind eye to some of Japan’s and Germany’s WWII offenses against humanity. Not only did we turn a blind eye we also wisely and selfishly exploited some of their people after the war. Would you have razed Japan, Germany, and Italy? Big mistake we made in Iraq was the attempted de-Baathification of the nation. I’m sorry that I don’t see the world in black and white. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050/337 "2015-06-24T06:57:00Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > How so? You don’t see the dangers in the opening of a Pandora’s Box of empowering the most vocal and easily aggrieved members of society? I don’t have much patience for endless hysteria, ‘debates’, and finger pointing among conflict driven media personalities. Just in this thread we are splitting hairs over slavers and slave owners and whether such ought to disqualify one. The acrimony wouldn’t end there. Bury the hatchet. Realize history and life are full of ugliness that cannot be excised without harm and move on. > [@](#): > > I don’t have much patience for endless hysteria, ‘debates’, and finger pointing among conflict driven media personalities. You seem to fail to grasp the difference between boycotting Chick Fil A on the gay rights issue and the fact that _Geroge Washington owned other human beings._ ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050/338 "2015-06-24T06:57:13Z")
> [@BrightNShiny](#): > > Nope, it’s completely accurate, you troll. > > Given that you seem to be pig ignorant about the history of this country and that flag, you are in no position to insult anyone’s intelligence. > > Now, talk about baseless attacks. You’re getting your immoral ass handed back to you, so you resort to making up strawmen. > > I’m not blind to anything you immoral shithead. You are blind to the decades of terrorism that happened within living memory. > > Wow, just wow. But thanks for proving what again what a terrible person you are. Newsflash, dickhead. Flying a flag of terrorism in front of victims of that terrorism is disgusting. Lol. Is this acceptable language in the pit? I could be wrong. We’ll let a moderator decide. I feel bad calling you stupid because it’s rude and you can’t pick your parents but the language you used is truly unbecoming. Do you kiss your husband with those dirty lips? ---
**Author:** ![BrightNShiny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@BrightNShiny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrightNShiny)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050/339 "2015-06-24T06:57:44Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > We pragmatically turned a blind eye to some of Japan’s and Germany’s WWII offenses against humanity. Not only did we turn a blind eye we also wisely and selfishly exploited some of their people after the war. Would you have razed Japan, Germany, and Italy? What a historically ignorant dumb shit you are. We didn’t turn a “blind eye.” We held war crimes trials. We made them change the symbols they were using. We marched German civilians through the concentration camps to show them what had happened. We restructured the Japanese monarchy and eliminated the Japanese peerage system. We made sure there was a recognition of the atrocities and then we instituted an international system to try and prevent those atrocities from happening again. You don’t know shit about history. Go pick up a book you ignorant dickhead. ---
**Author:** ![BrightNShiny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@BrightNShiny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrightNShiny)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050/340 "2015-06-24T06:59:02Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Lol. Is this acceptable language in the pit? I could be wrong. We’ll let a moderator decide. I feel bad calling you stupid because it’s rude and you can’t pick your parents but the language you used is truly unbecoming. Do you kiss your husband with those dirty lips? Minimizing murder, lynching and terrorism, which is what you are doing, is far worse than anything I’ve said. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-hood-heritage-not-hate/723050.md?page=18)