# The White Sox - A Brutal Truth **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** baseball-mlb\ **Created:** [April 16, 2024, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363 "2024-04-16T12:30:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2024, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/181 "2024-06-10T16:10:33Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > They now have a west coast trip. Perhaps the change of climate will agree with them. I’m going to their game on Wednesday. Let’s hope they have a few more losses in them. After that, I’ll wish them well. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2024, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/182 "2024-06-10T16:12:16Z")
That should be good, though, because they suck, right? ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2024, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/183 "2024-06-10T16:38:29Z")
> [@Kent\_Clark](#): > > What the y have left to field a team is the worst in the National League. At this moment, the Mets, Marlins, Diamondbacks, and Rockies all have worse records than the Pirates. Pittsburgh is just 3 games under .500 and, while in last place in the NL Central, is only 7 games out of first. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2024, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/184 "2024-06-10T16:44:10Z")
Yes, they are tied with the Cubs in the loss column, in fact. Yeah, I know, that’s not much of an endorsement. LOL ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2024, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/185 "2024-06-10T22:03:58Z")
Hey! That’s the second place Cubs!! (Essentially, everyone is tied to second in the NL Central for those not following. Cubs have a decent team this year, and I was expecting them to win the division or at least get a wild card berth, but they’ve been playing some mediocre ball the last month or so.) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2024, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/186 "2024-06-11T07:18:51Z")
As a Mariners fan I want to thank the Sox for a fun game tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2024, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/187 "2024-06-11T12:27:05Z")
See this pinky, see this thumb! See this fist, you’d better run! 😈 ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2024, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/188 "2024-06-11T14:44:20Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > As a Mariners fan I want to thank the Sox for a fun game tonight. That was something for sure. I actually felt sorry for the White Sox (slightly). For those that didn’t watch, they were up 4-0 in the 8th. The M’s got 4 in the 8th to tie and then a walk off grand slam in the 9th. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2024, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/189 "2024-06-11T15:38:42Z")
My God! 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2024, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/190 "2024-06-11T16:25:56Z")
Yep. Sounds about right. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2024, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/191 "2024-06-11T17:15:05Z")
Sox currently on a pace for 41-121. History remains in reach! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2024, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/192 "2024-06-11T17:15:56Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > The M’s got 4 in the 8th to tie and then a walk off grand slam in the 9th. The Big Dumper got the grand slam! That was my favorite part. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2024, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/193 "2024-06-11T19:35:56Z")
Drew Thorpe will be starting for the White Sox tonight. He was the Yankees top pitching prospect until he was dealt to S.D. in the Soto trade and then flipped again in the Cease deal. Who knows, maybe Thorpe, Fedde and Crochet can be part of a rebuild nucleus. ETA: I was surprised to find out that the CWS payroll is mid tier. I would have figured that squad cost a lot less. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/194 "2024-06-11T19:54:40Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > ETA: I was surprised to find out that the CWS payroll is mid tier. I would have figured that squad cost a lot less. Don’t forget the out of shape, overpaid, injured guys that are out of the lineup and, when they are healthy, play like they don’t give a damn. That’s where all the money is. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2024, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/195 "2024-06-11T19:58:41Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > ETA: I was surprised to find out that the CWS payroll is mid tier. I would have figured that squad cost a lot less. This page indicates that, yes, they are in 18th place, of 30 MLB teams, on overall payroll, at ~$137 million. But, of that: - $56 million is currently on the active roster (third-lowest in baseball, above only Oakland and Miami) - $67 million is currently on the injured list (a lot of that is Yoan Moncada and Eloy Jimenez) - $11 million is “retained” (salaries on guys who are now on other teams, which they are still on the hook for) - $2 million is “buried” (guys on MLB contracts, who are currently in the minors) > **[2024 MLB Team Salary Cap Tracker](https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/_/year/2024/sort/cap_total2)** > > A real-time look at the 2024 salary cap totals for each MLB team, including estimated cap space. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2024, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/196 "2024-06-11T20:01:18Z")
A lot of Yankee fans wanted to sign Benintendi after the 2022 season. Yikes, bullet dodged. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2024, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/197 "2024-06-11T20:04:55Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > A lot of Yankee fans wanted to sign Benintendi after the 2022 season. I’d missed him; he’s a big chunk of that “injured” money, too ($17 million). When he _was_ playing, he wasn’t very good: .194 BA, .284 SLG, -2.1 bWAR. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2024, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/198 "2024-06-11T20:07:44Z")
Well, they’re stuck with Benintendi, but they can buy out Moncada and Jimenez for $8 million after this season, so things don’t look completely hopeless. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2024, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/199 "2024-06-11T20:15:11Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > A lot of Yankee fans wanted to sign Benintendi after the 2022 season. KC signed him as a FA in 2021 after he was hurt most of the previous season. He had a decent season and was having a pretty good year in 2022 when they traded him to the Yanks close to the trading deadline. I was initially pissed at the move, but I’m quite happy now, even though the Royals received basically nothing (thus far) in return. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/200 "2024-06-12T01:09:10Z")
I’m not sure exactly how this works, but I think MLB teams get veto power over other teams moving into “their” territory. IIRC there was a time in the 90s when the A’s were exploring moving to San Jose, but weren’t able to because SJ had been designated “Giants territory” in the agreement that allowed the A’s to move to Oakland in the first place, and the Giants weren’t willing to waive that. So I’m guessing that if the Sox leave, the Cubs might well be able to prevent anyone else moving in to fill the void. Which sucks IMO; Chicago is more than twice as big as the average MLB market, we should get two teams. But then by that logic NYC should have four or five… Of course, the Cubs organization might choose to forgo the opportunity for massive revenue increases in the interest of keeping a vibrant baseball culture in Chicago. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363.md?page=11)