# The White Sox - A Brutal Truth

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Tags:** baseball-mlb\
**Created:** [April 16, 2024, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363 "2024-04-16T12:30:07Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/421 "2024-08-26T18:04:37Z")

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> [@Railer13](#):
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> 3 games, actually. And Cleveland is leading in game 1 of a DH today between the two teams.

Oh well. I guess that puts them much closer to 44 games back and eliminated from the playoffs.

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**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/422 "2024-08-27T05:05:40Z")

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I hadn’t realized that the Sox-Tigers series extended into a game on Monday. Well, _now_ it’s a sweep, with Detroit winning 6-3 on Monday evening. As has happened several times recently, the Sox starter (in this case, Davis Martin) pitched well, but the bullpen imploded again, giving up a five-run 7th inning.

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**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/423 "2024-08-27T11:32:41Z")

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> [@Railer13](#):
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> 3 games, actually. And Cleveland is leading in game 1 of a DH today between the two teams.

Game 1: KC 4, Guardians 3  
Game 2: KC 9, Guardians 4  
Games out of first placer: ONE

NOW, will you listen to me?  
And stop being so negative! lol

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**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/424 "2024-08-27T11:46:01Z")

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> [@Jasmine](#):
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> And stop being so negative!

I will not stop. It’s working.

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**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/425 "2024-08-27T18:40:08Z")

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What does everyone think the Sox’s final record will be?

_Poll ([view on site](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/425))_

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**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/426 "2024-08-27T18:46:13Z")

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I predict that the White Sox will go to Baltimore and Boston in September and sweep all six games.

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**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2024, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/427 "2024-08-28T12:02:38Z")

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> [@Railer13](#):
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> I will not stop. It’s working.

Game 3  
KC 6, Guardians 1  
KC in FIRST PLACE

See, I was right. Say it, and I’ll leave you alone. 😈

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**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2024, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/428 "2024-08-28T12:08:12Z")

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> [@BlankSlate](#):
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> I predict that the White Sox will go to Baltimore and Boston in September and sweep all six games.

Dr. Jasmine: Hmmmm … … aha … damp skin, glazed eyes, confused thinking … Yep, yesterday’s record heat took its toll on you. Drink plenty of water today and stay out of the sun!

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**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2024, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/429 "2024-08-28T12:18:19Z")

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> [@Jasmine](#):
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> See, I was right.

I’m not denying that the Royals are having a surprisingly great season. But my original point was that they have not been at all competitive since 2015. This year their farm system has finally produced quality results, and it’s taken some extremely insightful FA signings and trades to build this team.

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> KC have shown that a healthy farm system can keep a team at least competitive with minimal free agency.

I will continue to disagree with this statement, which was my original contention. If you want to continue to think that your point is valid, then we’ll agree to disagree.

Back on topic:

White Sox/Rangers game was suspended after four pitches last night, and will hopefully be made up today as part of a DH.

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**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2024, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/430 "2024-08-28T12:32:56Z")

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> [@Railer13](#):
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> White Sox/Rangers game was suspended after four pitches last night, and will hopefully be made up today as part of a DH.

That seems really strange to me. Why would they even start? The powers that be get weather and radar info and could tell, I’m sure, what kind of evening it was going to be. In fact, earlier this season a Sox game was called off in advance based on that kind of info.

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**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/431 "2024-08-29T03:09:17Z")

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Well they pulled out the delayed game and the regularly scheduled one. By ‘pulled out’, I meant they kept their losing ways intact.

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**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/432 "2024-08-29T03:23:12Z")

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And now with a record of 31-103 with 28 games to play, they are on pace to win 37 games.

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**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/433 "2024-08-29T03:40:49Z")

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> [@Jasmine](#):
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> That seems really strange to me. Why would they even start?

I wonder if it’s a matter of some league rule, about how a “postponed” (i.e., not ever started) game is treated for rescheduling, as opposed to a “suspended” game.

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**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/434 "2024-08-29T11:14:39Z")

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Last night the Sox lost the first game of a DH to the Rangers 3-1. In the second game, Texas scored a run in the top of the ninth to take a 4-3 lead into the bottom of the inning. The Sox had runners on first and second with one out, when Andrew Vaughn hit a drive to deep left that looked like it would be a walk-off 3-run home run. Except Travis Jankowski had other ideas:

> <https://x.com/MLB/status/1828989355395875282>

After a walk to load the bases, a flyout ended the game.

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**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/435 "2024-08-29T12:47:21Z")

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Man, what a play. Sox can’t catch a break. They must have majorly pissed off some deity.

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**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/436 "2024-08-29T14:04:34Z")

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Reinsdorf shitting on the entirety of Chicago for decades probably counts.

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**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\
**Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/437 "2024-08-31T02:50:40Z")

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All right! I got to witness loss 105 in person. At least there’s a fireworks show coming up.

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**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\
**Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/438 "2024-08-31T02:55:47Z")

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> [@pulykamell](#):
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> All right! I got to witness loss 105 in person.

Congratulations? 😉

With tonight’s loss to the Mets, in spite of the positive energy provided by @pulykamell 's presence, they’re at 31-105, with 26 games left to play.

To do better than the record of the 1962 Mets (40-120):

- In order to win at least 41 games, they will need to go at least 10-16 the rest of the way (.384 winning percentage).
- In order to lose no more than 119 games, they’ll need to go at least 12-14 (.462).

At their current winning percentage (.228), they are trending towards 37-125.

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**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\
**Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/439 "2024-08-31T02:56:44Z")

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The White Sox would have to win four games in a row to _improve_ to a .250 winning percentage.

It’s difficult to convey to outsiders how mind-numbingly, stupefyingly _dull_ this team is. Their lineup is loaded top to bottom with virtually automatic outs, with nobody hitting above .240 or with an OPS over .680. Very often they score zero or one runs. When they fall behind, they _stay_ behind.

The White Sox have churned through 61 players this season, the vast majority being utterly forgettable minor leaguers of no interest to anybody except perhaps their own families.

Truly, there is _nothing_ to see here except for the sheer number of losses.

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**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\
**Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/440 "2024-08-31T03:00:25Z")

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Also, tonight was their 8th straight loss, but is only their third-longest losing streak of the season. 😛

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