# The White Sox - A Brutal Truth **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** baseball-mlb\ **Created:** [April 16, 2024, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363 "2024-04-16T12:30:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2024, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/641 "2024-09-28T00:19:34Z")
Tremendous ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2024, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/642 "2024-09-28T00:43:07Z")
Am I hearing Detroit 4, Chicago 1 at the top of the eighth? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2024, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/643 "2024-09-28T01:02:04Z")
It is done. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2024, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/644 "2024-09-28T01:05:06Z")
Congratulations? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2024, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/645 "2024-09-28T01:20:14Z")
So like the 62 Mets, in 7 years they are guaranteed a World Series win. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2024, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/646 "2024-09-28T01:22:06Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > in 7 years they are guaranteed a World Series win. Even more amusing if they break Cub fans hearts along the way. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2024, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/647 "2024-09-28T01:40:29Z")
Ehhh. That rivalry is much more one way (Soxs against Cubs) than two way. We just generally ignore that other team. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2024, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/648 "2024-09-28T02:07:50Z")
As a Cubs fan, I agree. White Sox fans tend to be much more concerned about what the Cubs are doing than the other way around. (Though, admittedly, I have been following this.) ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2024, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/649 "2024-09-28T22:21:41Z")
Wulp, the ChiSox shut out the Tigers this afternoon for their 40th win. They can still tie the 62 Mets for the number of victories. But the season is not nearly as momentous as we had hoped. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/650 "2024-09-29T00:18:45Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Wulp, the ChiSox shut out the Tigers this afternoon for their 40th win. > > They can still tie the 62 Mets for the number of victories. But the season is not nearly as momentous as we had hoped. To make the season enjoyable you needed characters like Casey Stengel and Marvelous Marv Throneberry. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/651 "2024-09-29T00:36:28Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > As a Cubs fan, I agree. White Sox fans tend to be much more concerned about what the Cubs are doing than the other way around. (Though, admittedly, I have been following this.) While both the Cubs and the White Sox have had their share of awful teams, the Cubs always had the plus of playing in one of MLB’s shrines and being in a nicer neighborhood. The Chisox play in a boring nondescript ballpark that they’re ready to dump after only 30 years. Also, I’ve noticed Cubs fans seem more intense about their fandom than Sox fans. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/652 "2024-09-29T01:30:26Z")
> [@NDP](#): > > Also, I’ve noticed Cubs fans seem more intense about their fandom than Sox fans Not here on the South Side; at least among my peers. The most intense baseball fans I know are Sox supporters. Cubs fans tend to have more of a mix of actual fans and a bunch of people who just like to party. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/653 "2024-09-29T04:09:28Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > They can still tie the 62 Mets for the number of victories. In fact, they did so today (the '62 Mets went 40-120). The Mets had a game on [September 9th against Houston](https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/HOU/HOU196209090.shtml) which was a tie when it was suspended at the end of the 8th inning (due to rain, I’m guessing), and it was not ever resumed. I’m guessing that the Mets had another game cancelled due to rain, as well, but I’m not finding it on Baseball Reference. However, it looks like they played only one game in a series against the Braves in the week of September 10th (i.e., just after the incomplete game against Houston): they played Milwaukee on Monday the 10th, and then did not play another game until Friday, the 14th. It’d be extremely unusual for a team to have three straight days off during September, so that looks a lot like where there would have been at least one scheduled game that never got played. > **[1962 New York Mets Schedule | Baseball-Reference.com](https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/1962-schedule-scores.shtml)** > > View the 1962 New York Mets Schedule on Baseball-Reference.com. Including home and away games, results, and more. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/654 "2024-09-29T15:31:41Z")
So a victory today would give them a higher winning percentage than the '62 Mets? I don’t know what to root for. ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/655 "2024-09-29T21:38:35Z")
Both of the washed-out games were against Houston. The 9/9 game ended in a tie after eight innings due to a 7:00 curfew, necessary so that the Mets could catch a commercial flight. In those days tie games had to be replayed from the start. The replay was scheduled as part of a double-header on Saturday, September 19 which was rained out. The two teams already had a double-header scheduled for Sunday, and no future dates, so the Saturday games were left unplayed. The three days off were indeed unusual, but when schedules were cobbled together by hand, weird stuff would happen. 1962 was an especial challenge since it was the first year for the National League with ten teams and a 162-game schedule. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/656 "2024-09-29T22:24:59Z")
Could one of you stats gurus please help me out? I’m looking for the head-to-head table for the 2024 season. I want to see how Team A did against Team B for any given Team A and Team B. There used to be simple table that floated to the top of the google results, but ESPN and the other network have taken over and just want to show division standings. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/657 "2024-09-29T22:27:25Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > I’m looking for the head-to-head table for the 2024 season. I want to see how Team A did against Team B for any given Team A and Team B. Here’s a [table](https://www.espn.com/mlb/standings/grid) from ESPN. It doesn’t show interleague, however. It shows that Baltimore was 20-26 against the National League, but it doesn’t have the NL team breakdown. I haven’t found another one, but I’ll keep looking. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/658 "2024-09-29T22:42:17Z")
Thank you! That was what I was looking for! I have no idea why I couldn’t find it. ---
**Author:** ![fedman1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e495f1/32.png) [@fedman1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fedman1)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/659 "2024-09-29T23:52:09Z")
and we in St Louis loathe the Rams for what Kroenke did to us (with help from NFL) ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/660 "2024-09-30T11:33:39Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Wulp, the ChiSox shut out the Tigers this afternoon for their 40th win. Fortunately for the Sox, their 121st loss was also the playoff clinching win for the Tigers so, for the last two games of the season, the Sox only had to face a bunch of hung over scrubs instead of Tiger starters still vying for a playoff berth. Still 121 is 121, and it is the worst ever. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363.md?page=34)