# The White Sox - A Brutal Truth **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** baseball-mlb\ **Created:** [April 16, 2024, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363 "2024-04-16T12:30:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/121 "2024-05-02T16:48:31Z")
Understood, and I really have no rebuttal, but it is the fan base that endures the punishment in the end. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2024, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/122 "2024-05-05T21:52:44Z")
Good news for fans of the Pale Hose. They took two out of three from the Cardinals this weekend to stay in the the thick of not-the-worst-team-in-baseball with the Rockies and Marlins. > [@Railer13](#): > > IIRC, Caray was fired by the Cards when he became too critical of the shortcomings of the team, and/or he drank far too much while on the air. and/or being too chummy with the owner’s wife. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2024, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/123 "2024-05-05T21:57:37Z")
My Cardinals have now given the White Sox 25% of their wins… how bad does it have to get for the owners to do the much-needed shakeup? Mozeliak has done a lot for the team, but surely it’s time for some fresh ideas and new faces? What has Oli Marmol done to convince anybody he’s actually a good manager? Sorry, back to your White Sox thread… ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/124 "2024-05-06T11:26:35Z")
I just checked. There, there now. The Cards might be in last place right now, but they are only 4 games under .500 and only 5 games out of first place. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/125 "2024-05-12T14:03:02Z")
Don’t look now, but the Sox have a four-game winning streak, including the last 3 over the first place Guardians. Their winning percentage is now at .300, and they are only the 3rd-worst team in MLB, with a better record than the Marlins and the Rockies. ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/126 "2024-05-28T17:54:30Z")
Update: With the season just past one-third complete, the White Sox have a record of 15 wins and 40 losses. They are on pace for the appalling total of 118 losses. The team batting average is .215 and the team OPS is .607. Catcher Martin Maldonado is 7-for-84 (.083) with 35 strikeouts. For those of you still lamenting the DH, watching Maldonado is evocative of when pitchers used to bat. The offensive star of the team is 36-year-old Tommy Pham, who is hitting well enough to draw interest as the trade deadline approaches. Which means he will likely be flipped for prospects, and the White Sox may get even worse. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/127 "2024-05-28T18:13:15Z")
Oddly enough, they did have a good stretch over 10 games. They won the first 3 games against Cleveland and, had they swept the 4 game series, would have been only 11 games out of first place. They lost that fourth game and went on a slide, and they are now 22.5 games out of first place. Adios, amigos! 😳 ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/128 "2024-06-04T00:23:59Z")
ChiSox have lost their last 11 and are now 15-45, which is an even .250 winning percentage. They are 24.5 games out of first, and 14.5 games behind their closest competitor, the Tigers. Their run differential is an astounding -138. ETA: I really shouldn’t be unloading on a struggling team, because my Royals have been in a similar position far too often in recent years. But I can’t help myself. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/129 "2024-06-04T01:38:16Z")
Maybe Tommy should work on winning more and fighting less. > **[White Sox's Tommy Pham says he's always prepared to 'f\*\*\* somebody up' after...](https://sports.yahoo.com/white-soxs-tommy-pham-says-hes-always-prepared-to-f-somebody-up-after-confrontation-with-brewers-william-contreras-225356495.html)** > > Chicago White Sox outfielder Tommy Pham told reporters he's always prepared to fight after an on-field confrontation with Milwaukee Brewers catcher William Contreras. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/130 "2024-06-04T01:46:37Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > ChiSox have lost their last 11 and are now 15-45, which is an even .250 winning percentage. They are 24.5 games out of first, and 14.5 games behind their closest competitor, the Tigers. Their run differential is an astounding -138. This means they are on pace for a -373 run differential, the worst in MLB history. The worst to date is held by the 1932 Red Sox, who went 45-109. The White Sox are also on pace to go either 41-121 or 40-122 (their .250 winning percentage doesn’t fit 162 games well.) Which of course would set a new loss record, though not technically a new worst-winning percentage record. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/131 "2024-06-04T03:20:16Z")
A new stadium at public expense will fix everything. No, seriously. That’s the only petard missing from elevating their game to new heights. /s ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/132 "2024-06-04T12:40:52Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > ETA: I really shouldn’t be unloading on a struggling team, because my Royals have been in a similar position far too often in recent years. But I can’t help myself. Hey, it is what it is. The White Sox have completely exposed themselves to ridicule through their own ineptitude. The fault lies in an over-the-hill, disinterested owner and the country club atmosphere he has allowed in both the front office and the clubhouse. I wish he would move the team out of town because a market this large would get a replacement very quickly, and it would hopefully have a winning attitude. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/133 "2024-06-04T15:29:59Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > I wish he would move the team out of town because a market this large would get a replacement very quickly Not to derail the thread, but how would this happen? If the Sox move to, say, San Antonio or Indianapolis, what current MLB team would leave their current home and move to Chicago? Or is MLB considering expansion? ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/134 "2024-06-04T15:44:23Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Not to derail the thread, but how would this happen? I Well, professional sports have proven over time that major cities do not stay without a franchise because you’re talking big market money. Some team stuck in a place like, say, Tampa might want to move to a metropolitan area that has 5 million people. This is just speculation, of course, but that is one hypothetical scenario. I doubt we’ll ever know because Reinsdorf isn’t going to leave Chicago for Nashville or any other one horse town. ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/135 "2024-06-04T15:47:49Z")
My guess is that it wouldn’t happen. Chicago is only the third largest city in the country (and will likely soon be overtaken by Houston) and no one is rushing to add to its one NFL, one NBA, and one NHL team. The fact that Chicago has two MLB teams is a reflection of its prior position as the Second City and the regional growth of baseball. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/136 "2024-06-04T16:05:18Z")
Indeed, despite similar populations, nobody is clamoring to add a 2nd team to the Dallas/Fort Worth area or to the Houston area. If Chicago falls to one MLB team, I don’t see an existing team jumping at the chance to play second fiddle to the Cubs. Nor do I see any future expansion choosing to do so over starting afresh in a Charlotte or a San Antonio or a Nashville or a Salt Lake City or Austin or Portland or a dozen other cities where they wouldn’t have to compete both with a dominant existing team and the memories of a departed franchise. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/137 "2024-06-04T18:52:12Z")
As a life long White Sox fan, one of the things that pisses me off most about Reinsdorf is that he often talks about how he was a Brooklyn Dodgers fan as a boy and he was heart broken and devastated when they moved to L.A… The fact that he’s flirted with moving the White Sox out of Chicago MORE THAN ONCE, is just so shitty. So he’s fine with doing the same thing to another city, to another group of kids and people that used to be kids, that he claims was so difficult to take as a child. What an asshole. He won’t spend money on free agents, he won’t spend money on player development, scouting and analytics, he won’t do anything to create a modern, successful front office. Incredibly frustrating for a lifetime fan. It is feeling like the 2005 World Series may be the only success my team will have for the rest of my life. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/138 "2024-06-04T19:04:11Z")
Yeah, I don’t see it either at all. If the Sox left, it’d be only the Cubs for Chicago. There’s no reason to think some kind of vacuum would be left behind for another team to be sucked into. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/139 "2024-06-04T19:53:59Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > The fact that he’s flirted with moving the White Sox out of Chicago MORE THAN ONCE Has he done this? (I obviously have not been paying attention, so I’m asking out of ignorance.) ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363/140 "2024-06-04T20:03:47Z")
There were rumors back in the day that he was considering moving the team to Tampa Bay if he didn’t get a new stadium to replace the original Comiskey Park. Recently he met with the mayor of Nashville as rumors of the team moving there have been circling, again due to wanting a new stadium. Whether he meant it either time, or if its just rumors, neither time has he refuted it and indicated that he plans to keep the team in Chicago indefinitely. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-white-sox-a-brutal-truth/1000363.md?page=8)