# The Word "Frustrate" has TWO "R's"!!!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 21, 2003, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491 "2003-11-21T14:14:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491/61 "2003-11-23T12:28:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BiblioCat \* > **It drives me crazy when I hear people say they need to pick up their p** er\*\*scription for their **arthur** -itis. > I also saw that Dr. Phil show. I was amazed that she seemed quite proud of herself for talking that way. Not just the, “Pwetty-pwease” bit, but the “You horted my fweelings!” and the fake crying. > And talking about how she used it to get him to propose, to get a cat, and to get him to buy her stuff. What a manipulative bitch. > That poor husband - he needs to grow some balls. > I changed channels. What happened with those two? Did Dr. Phil tell the guy to ignore her, or tell her to cut it out? \*\* He told her to grow the #$# up, AND he told the husband to grow a pair. In Dr. Phil speak of course. I was packing, but every once in a while I’d stop and just stare in disbelief. People are so weird. ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491/62 "2003-11-23T12:33:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by El Gui \* > \*\*Enough time has been given, [apparently](http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=nuclear) (audio on the third speaker icon). > > Others tell me I have no accent, even though Spanish was my first language. However, there are certain English words or phrases that will make me cringe when I say them because they will come out, at least obvious to me, very thickly accented. One example is when I mention that something “does not appeal to me”. It comes out sounding “does not a pita me”. :o > > But man, I can still roll those "r"s!😛 \*\* :eek: And that despite the very CLEAR written instructions on how to pronounce it? Arrrrgggghhh, I can’t take it!!! ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491/63 "2003-11-23T12:40:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by look!ninjas \* > \*\*Question - who here says the “tt” in “button”? I’ve only just realized that I don’t - what comes out is actually more like “buh-ihn.” Is this a regionalism, or is it just me? > > Actually, I know it isn’t just me, because that’s how Jack White says… er, sings it. Maybe it’s a Michigan thing. \*\* Hmmm, I don’t know if it’s a regional thing or not. Here in AK, most people (unless they’re from other places) pronounce consonants like the ones in button as “hard”. Or Bu **tt** on. I always think of the “buh ihn” type pronunciation to be similar to what I hear some New Yorkers saying (at least in movies and such, I’ve never been there). ---
**Author:** ![Magret](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b782af/32.png) [@Magret](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magret)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491/64 "2003-11-23T15:22:28Z")
The one that irks me which I’ve read in several recent books is “should of” and “could of”. Should’ve and could’ve are contractions of “should have” and “could have”. “He could of tried harder” just doesn’t make any sense! ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491/65 "2003-11-23T23:04:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dung Beetle \* > \*\*The one that bothers me is “jag-wire”. Jag-WAR, people! Even jag-u-ar, as in that Pink Floyd song that now escapes me, but never, never jag-wire! \*\* It bothers me that the common (British) pronunciation of ‘Jag-you-ar’ is seen as invalid; I realise that there are no hard and fast rules about correct pronunciation, but Jaguar=‘Jag- **you** -ar’ seems as natural to me as Situation=‘Sit- **you** -ay-shun’. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491/66 "2003-11-23T23:16:49Z")
Oops, although I see that **Dung Beetle** is not actually describing it as invalid - others have though. ---
**Author:** ![Ptahlis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a8b319/32.png) [@Ptahlis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ptahlis)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491/67 "2003-11-24T03:22:46Z")
When I hear Mellencamp’s “Small Town” I shudder. There’s one line where he sings “I cannot forget **from** where it is that I come **from**.” Aaagghh! One or the other, but not both! I used to hear one that really made me cringe when I worked in a hardware store in the St. Louis area. Old folks would come in and get parts for their kitchen “zinc.” I may be wrong, but I know of no (non-foregin anyway) word that has an initial “s” that sounds like a “z.” Even if there is such a word, it sure isn’t “sink!” Oh, and “d” for a soft “th” (dis, dat, de udder) drives me nuts too. ---
**Author:** ![wnorthr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecccb3/32.png) [@wnorthr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wnorthr)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491/68 "2003-11-24T03:37:36Z")
In Baltimore sink is zink. Also: chimbly = chimney pixture = picture spicket = spigot There are lots more. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491/69 "2003-11-24T04:14:53Z")
Thanks to advancing technology, we now hear of “plosma TVs.” Makes me wince every time. ---
**Author:** ![Dizzy\_Fingers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Dizzy\_Fingers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dizzy_Fingers)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491/70 "2003-11-24T04:52:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wnorthr \* > \*\*In Baltimore sink is zink. > Also: > chimbly = chimney \*\* Baltimore is Who-ville? ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491/71 "2003-11-24T04:54:48Z")
irregardless. ARrrrgggh!!! There is no such word!!! The horrible thing about this word, is that I hear otherwise, well educated people saying it. If a person has any knowledge of suffixes and prefixes, how can they not know this? ---
**Author:** ![sundog66](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@sundog66](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sundog66)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491/72 "2003-11-24T06:03:59Z")
> [@](#): > > They also say “col-yoom” for “column” but I guess that’s an allowable dialect thing, even though it drives me up the fucking wall. No shit it’s an “allowable dialect thing!” Spelling is one thing, but as for pronunciation, did it occur to any of you that all these “mistakes” are either dialect differences or natural phonetic variation processes? Jesus, just when I think that people on this forum are smart. You’re all complaining about phonetic variations. Hence you’re complaining that language changes, a fact no less natural or inevitable than rain falling down or hot air rising. You think that just because you speak a certain way the language should stop dead in its tracks? Hell, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if that’s the right attitude, we might as well all be speaking indo-european, or whatever came before that. ---
**Author:** ![rkts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c4cdca/32.png) [@rkts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rkts)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491/73 "2003-11-24T06:08:35Z")
The one thing I cannot tolerate is “tempature”. And **yBeayf** , > [@](#): > > Just how should it [nuptial] be pronounced, then? The above-mentioned Merriam-Webster gives for pronunciation: “'n&p-sh&l, -ch&l, ÷-sh&-w&l, ÷-ch&-w&l”. The third option very closely approximates your rendering of the “mispronunciation.” The ÷ basically means it’s a common mispronunciation. ---
**Author:** ![jabiru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bbce88/32.png) [@jabiru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jabiru)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491/74 "2003-11-24T11:43:09Z")
… and vulnerable has two ‘Ls’ ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491/75 "2003-11-24T12:07:35Z")
Geezus. You lot are offended and/or cannot tolerate and/or are pissed-off enough by people _pronouncing_ things differently to warrant posting in this thread? Does it seriously ruin your day to hear someone say ‘Alfa Romero’ instead of ‘Shit Box on Wheels’? Or to delete the hard ‘c’ in accessory? Or when the Senior Cits go on with their whingeing about their ‘artheritis’? We might be an awfully clever and articulate lot, but our classiness is lost when we seek to show our superiority by pointing out other people’s linguistic shortcomings. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491/76 "2003-11-24T12:55:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wnorthr \* > \*\*In Baltimore sink is zink. > Also: > chimbly = chimney > pixture = picture > spicket = spigot > There are lots more. \*\* Actually, it’s the people in “Bawlmer” who say zink and pixture, hon. They also cut their lawns with a “paramour” (power mower) and go “downey ocean” (down to the ocean). I live in _Baltimore_ and I say sink and picture. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491/77 "2003-11-24T13:19:25Z")
Cheers to **Sundog66** and **Kambuckta**! Regional snobbery about the pronounciation of words is just another form of ignorance. I have my preferences too, but when someone says “bo-kay” instead of “boo-kay,” the flowers are just as fragrant and lovely. When the English teacher said “Tamper, Florider” I probably would have cringed and then smiled. I wonder if that teacher was from New England. JFK used to say “Cuber” instead of “Cuba.” It’s just a dialect!!! It’s a little bit like thinking that somehow the shape of a Western boot is inferior to the shape of a Rockport. Doh! With that said, **CanvasShoes** , I probably would have corrected one of my students who used _flustrated_ in speech instead of _frustrated_. And I confess to condemning unusual Republican Presidential pronunciations at ever opportunity – just out of wickedness on my part. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491/78 "2003-11-24T13:31:14Z")
> [@](#): > > Regional snobbery about the pronounciation of words is just another form of ignorance. Ah, youse guys are no fun. ---
**Author:** ![yBeayf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e274bd/32.png) [@yBeayf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yBeayf)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491/79 "2003-11-24T14:19:15Z")
> [@](#): > > The ÷ basically means it’s a common mispronunciation. No, according to their own [website](http://www.m-w.com/aschart.htm), it merely means that “many regard as unacceptable the pronunciation variant immediately following the mark.” ---
**Author:** ![feppytweed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/feppytweed/32/4280_2.png) [@feppytweed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/feppytweed)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491/80 "2003-11-24T15:30:34Z")
OMG. The one thing that a friend of mine says is, “I am about to go eat brefixt.”. That drives me crazy! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-word-frustrate-has-two-rs/214491.md?page=5)