# The world is perfect? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 22, 2018, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554 "2018-06-22T02:50:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/21 "2018-06-22T16:44:03Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I suspect you are being a (something I can’t accuse you of here by forum rules) but if you mean the Christian God, God never says this world in its current condition is perfect as is; on the contrary, Scripture is quick to state that the current world is full of sin and evil. Christianity doesn’t have a colour coded enlightenment graduation scale. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/22 "2018-06-22T17:25:25Z")
Okay, I know it’s probably too much to hope for at this point, but could somebody give a concise summary of whatever the heck the OP is talking about? It doesn’t have to lay out the entire cosmology of the religion, but I’d appreciate it if it defined enough terms that the OP would become vaguely comprehensible. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/23 "2018-06-22T17:37:45Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Okay, I know it’s probably too much to hope for at this point, but could somebody give a concise summary of whatever the heck the OP is talking about? It doesn’t have to lay out the entire cosmology of the religion, but I’d appreciate it if it defined enough terms that the OP would become vaguely comprehensible. Here’s a [simple graph](https://libertyblitzkrieg.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Screen-Shot-2017-02-07-at-11.30.18-AM-1024x859.jpg) that should answer all your questions. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/24 "2018-06-22T18:08:06Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Here’s a [simple graph](https://libertyblitzkrieg.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Screen-Shot-2017-02-07-at-11.30.18-AM-1024x859.jpg) that should answer all your questions. The turquoise described on the chart doesn’t sound like the turquoise described in the op - in fact nothing in your picture suggests the world is perfect. It seems to be spiraling more towards “life sucks and everything you try will fail”. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/25 "2018-06-22T18:22:02Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > The Just World Fallacy is an enormously destructive belief that causes immense suffering. The world isn’t perfect, and blaming victims for what happened to them won’t make it any more perfect. True, but Candide is still an amusing read. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/26 "2018-06-22T19:43:38Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > The turquoise described on the chart doesn’t sound like the turquoise described in the op - in fact nothing in your picture suggests the world is perfect. It seems to be spiraling more towards “life sucks and everything you try will fail”. Well yeah, “life sucks and everything you try will fail” but once you get to Coral you’ll realize that’s ok because you’re good enough, smart enough and gosh darn it people like you. But seriously, I think the OP has personally merged Spiral Dynamics with some other Eastern inspired new agey crap. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/27 "2018-06-22T19:49:37Z")
Orange you glad I didn’t say Banana? ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/28 "2018-06-22T20:02:59Z")
[Octarine](http://discworld.wikia.com/wiki/Octarine) and damned proud of it. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/29 "2018-06-22T20:24:53Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Well yeah, “life sucks and everything you try will fail” but once you get to Coral you’ll realize that’s ok because you’re good enough, smart enough and gosh darn it people like you. You mean that “solutions fail to meet the needs of individuals” Coral? _That_ Coral? > [@CarnalK](#): > > But seriously, I think the OP has personally merged Spiral Dynamics with some other Eastern inspired new agey crap. I’d think you’d want to merge it with something, because based on that chart it’s damn depressing on its own. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/30 "2018-06-22T21:35:35Z")
> [@Machinaforce](#): > > The only way to attain peace for yourself is to totally drop all judgment of people and reality. So… don’t. If the outcome of such a thing is the conclusion that everything is the bleak and unpalatable notion that everything is pointless, then maybe just don’t choose to tread that path. Retain a modicum of judgment, don’t attain perfect peace (I mean, honestly, peace sounds fucking boring the way you describe it), and preserve the capacity to make the world better. There. Problem solved. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/31 "2018-06-22T22:13:01Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Orange you glad I didn’t say Banana? Now here’s real color commentary.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/32 "2018-06-22T22:14:21Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > So what you’re saying is that sometimes the world looks perfect, nothing to rearrange. But sometimes you just get a feeling like you need some kind of change. I hate you for beating me to this. Oh, well…I’m still standing tall, on the wings of a dream. ---
**Author:** ![Machinaforce](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/aeb1de/32.png) [@Machinaforce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machinaforce)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/33 "2018-06-23T01:53:24Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Very relevant, brother. “This is a soulless society, captain. It has no spirit, no spark. All is indeed peace and tranquility – the peace of the factory; the tranquility of the machine; all parts working in unison.” > > My response to the OP was sorta along those lines. Everything IS perfect and how it ought to be, but that doesn’t mean you don’t get to see problems and that any effort to correct them is misplaced. The individual is no more useless in such a world than a cog is in clockworks. All it means is everyone has a role in this world, and all you need to do is just play it. Someone’s role is to be deprived, maybe you role is to prey on them or to help them–don’t stress, just do you. That doesn’t really make sense. What about the part where all action is pointless? I think he’s getting at that improvement is just in our heads because when we “improve” soemthing it’s more like a story we tell ourselves. In reality, objectively, we are just moving parts around and things happen. Improvement implies some objective scale of better or worse, which doesn’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![Machinaforce](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/aeb1de/32.png) [@Machinaforce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machinaforce)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/34 "2018-06-23T01:57:24Z")
Addendum: I don’t think the world is perfect. It merely is. Saying it is perfect would imply some criteria for perfection and therefor would be a value judgment. It would also imply some standard for imperfection which would violate his alleged claims of nonduality. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/35 "2018-06-23T02:26:57Z")
> [@Machinaforce](#): > > Addendum: I don’t think the world is perfect. It merely is. Saying it is perfect would imply some criteria for perfection and therefor would be a value judgment. It would also imply some standard for imperfection which would violate his alleged claims of nonduality. Would me saying that make the world a bit less perfect? Would me _refraining_ from saying that make the world a bit less perfect? Is there, in your opinion, _anything_ I can do to make the world less or more perfect? Prepare a meal for a hungry beggar? Prepare a meal and eat it in front of that beggar? Save an innocent? Murder an innocent? Set fire to a house full of innocents? Anything? ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/36 "2018-06-23T07:44:50Z")
> [@Machinaforce](#): > > That doesn’t really make sense. What about the part where all action is pointless? > > I think he’s getting at that improvement is just in our heads because when we “improve” soemthing it’s more like a story we tell ourselves. In reality, objectively, we are just moving parts around and things happen. Improvement implies some objective scale of better or worse, which doesn’t exist. If this is true, it is also automatically false. If there is no means by which you can judge anything good or bad, true or false, you also can’t judge the idea “there is no means by which you can judge anything” ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/37 "2018-06-23T08:11:07Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > The fuck did I just read ? Wow. The last time I read something like that it was, I think, 1972 and generated by someone with too much affection for LSD and MaryJane. Wow. Pass the cheese doodles while we sit here in the “safe space”. Dude is trippin’ ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/38 "2018-06-23T08:32:28Z")
> [@Machinaforce](#): > > The only way to attain peace for yourself is to totally drop all judgment of people and reality. So if an assailant were raping you and also planning to murder you, would you just chant/mumble “the world is perfect” over and over again during the process? ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/39 "2018-06-23T10:26:41Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Wow. The last time I read something like that it was, I think, 1972 and generated by someone with too much affection for LSD and MaryJane. Wow. Pass the cheese doodles while we sit here in the “safe space”. Dude is trippin’ The last time I read something like this was pretty much the last time the OP started a thread. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/40 "2018-06-23T12:00:49Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > The last time I read something like this was pretty much the last time the OP started a thread. They’re all one perfect thread. We’re just moving the parts around. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554.md?page=3)