# The world is perfect? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 22, 2018, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554 "2018-06-22T02:50:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/41 "2018-06-23T12:18:27Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > They’re all one perfect thread. We’re just moving the parts around. Well, they certainly can’t be made worse. ---
**Author:** ![Marine\_One](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marine_one/32/3461_2.png) [@Marine\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marine_One)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/42 "2018-06-23T14:50:58Z")
“Now who can argue with that? Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, it expressed the courage little seen in this day and age.” ---
**Author:** ![Marine\_One](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marine_one/32/3461_2.png) [@Marine\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marine_One)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/43 "2018-06-23T15:06:04Z")
Mods, delete the above reply I created. It isn’t appropriate as a response to the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/44 "2018-06-23T17:30:13Z")
What about beigeish-pinkish people? Where do we stand in understanding? ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/45 "2018-06-23T21:22:04Z")
I think you should just mauve out of the way. ---
**Author:** ![Machinaforce](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/aeb1de/32.png) [@Machinaforce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machinaforce)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/46 "2018-06-24T23:19:20Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > If this is true, it is also automatically false. > > If there is no means by which you can judge anything good or bad, true or false, you also can’t judge the idea “there is no means by which you can judge anything” The point being made, as in the OP, is that the only way to find peace for yourself is to drop all judgment of others and reality. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/47 "2018-06-24T23:25:17Z")
> [@Machinaforce](#): > > The point being made, as in the OP, is that the only way to find peace for yourself is to drop all judgment of others and reality. Nah, I’m good. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/48 "2018-06-25T06:18:04Z")
> [@Machinaforce](#): > > The point being made, as in the OP, is that the only way to find peace for yourself is to drop all judgment of others and reality. Nope. We’re judgement machines, designed that way by nature. Denying your own nature is to live an[inauthentic life](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_faith_(existentialism)). Far better to make sure you make the best judgements you can, grounded in information and good reasoning (not bullshit colour charts) Anything else is self-deception. ---
**Author:** ![Machinaforce](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/aeb1de/32.png) [@Machinaforce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machinaforce)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/49 "2018-06-26T04:01:53Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Nah, I’m good. Why not? WOuld not the alternative to that be choosing to live a lie, as he makes it seem and to choose suffering? TO continue with moralising? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/50 "2018-06-26T09:03:05Z")
> [@Machinaforce](#): > > Why not? WOuld not the alternative to that be choosing to live a lie, as he makes it seem and to choose suffering? TO continue with moralising? Well, break that down for me: first off, are _you,_ uh, “moralising” when you take that approach right there? You kicked this off by saying that one of “the biggest obstacles to enlightenment is giving up all your judgments” — promptly moving on to talk of “being unable to judge anyone or anything ever again” — and, just so I’m clear: are you, in this thread and right there in that copy-and-pasted quote, _judging?_ And if the world is “perfect as it is” and “cannot be improved in any way at all”, then what are you trying to accomplish by asking those questions at me? Are you trying to bring about some kind of, as it were, _improvement?_ Or _imperfection?_ ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/51 "2018-06-26T09:39:49Z")
> [@Machinaforce](#): > > The point being made, as in the OP, is that the only way to find peace for yourself is to drop all judgment of others and reality. And my point is that, apart from being practically impossible, that doesn’t even sound like a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/52 "2018-06-26T22:56:58Z")
> [@Machinaforce](#): > > The world cannot be improved in any way at all. It is an Absolute singularity, and everything is already contained within it for eternity. But this is not something that can be explained, and it certainly sits outside of Spiral Dynamics so I don’t even talk about it. You know, for someone who doesn’t talk about it, and doesn’t think anything matters at all, he sure talks about it a lot - I mean, 365 videos on his channel, in each of which he witters on for a duration of anything from 20 minutes to more than an hour. If what he was saying was correct, what would be the point of making all those videos, running the actualized forum, etc? None of it can change anything, because the universe is a singularity, right? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/53 "2018-06-27T13:59:36Z")
Sometimes I doubt his commitment to [del]Sparkle Motion[/del]Spiral Dynamics ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/54 "2018-06-28T02:21:17Z")
> [@Machinaforce](#): > > The point being made, as in the OP, is that the only way to find peace for yourself is to drop all judgment of others and reality. But trying to find peace _is_ passing judgement on reality - shouldn’t you accept and live in the now, peaceful or not? ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/55 "2018-06-29T06:42:47Z")
I mean no disrespect to the actual, real religious beliefs of which the bullshit nonsense in this thread is a grotesque parody, but: ‘peace’, as advertised here, is no more attractive an end goal than a frontal lobotomy. It is possible to judge some things without feeling the need to judge all things, and it is possible to live an acceptably peaceful life without going to the extreme of nullifying every desire. **Machinaforce** - if you’re so determined to be spoonfed someone else’s ideas on how life should be lived, then: [ol] [li]Listen to what I am saying now[/li][li]Reject any advice that tells you to occupy an extreme[/li][li]Go find some people talking about ‘balance’ in a philosophical context[/li][/ol] ---
**Author:** ![Machinaforce](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/aeb1de/32.png) [@Machinaforce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machinaforce)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/56 "2018-06-29T18:28:10Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > I mean no disrespect to the actual, real religious beliefs of which the bullshit nonsense in this thread is a grotesque parody, but: ‘peace’, as advertised here, is no more attractive an end goal than a frontal lobotomy. > It is possible to judge some things without feeling the need to judge all things, and it is possible to live an acceptably peaceful life without going to the extreme of nullifying every desire. > > **Machinaforce** - if you’re so determined to be spoonfed someone else’s ideas on how life should be lived, then: > [ol] > [li]Listen to what I am saying now[/li][li]Reject any advice that tells you to occupy an extreme[/li][li]Go find some people talking about ‘balance’ in a philosophical context[/li][/ol] But I want a way to refute or negate what he says. I don’t know or understand philosophy enough to do it myself and I am worried about confirmation bias or that by rejecting him I choose to live in an illusion. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/57 "2018-06-29T18:38:01Z")
> [@Machinaforce](#): > > But I want a way to refute or negate what he says. Based on your previous threads it doesn’t seem like you do. You just want people to tell you it’s OK to not care. You have my permission. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/58 "2018-06-29T20:44:44Z")
> [@Machinaforce](#): > > But I want a way to refute or negate what he says. I don’t know or understand philosophy enough to do it myself and I am worried about confirmation bias or that by rejecting him I choose to live in an illusion. He says all action is pointless. Listening to anything he says is an action. The instructiion ‘drop all judgment’ requires an action. If he’s right, he’s also automatically wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Machinaforce](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/aeb1de/32.png) [@Machinaforce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machinaforce)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/59 "2018-07-01T21:42:52Z")
The claim is that one continues to do things for shits and giggles but to be honest I sincerely doubt that. Maybe in a tv show you can have a character say that but humans in reality I don’t think so. But still, as much as I want to dismiss him I hear things about how people have changed their lives by listening to him. If someone was so wrong or mistaken then people wouldn’t listen or follow right? ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554/60 "2018-07-01T21:53:36Z")
> [@Machinaforce](#): > > The claim is that one continues to do things for shits and giggles but to be honest I sincerely doubt that. Maybe in a tv show you can have a character say that but humans in reality I don’t think so. > > But still, as much as I want to dismiss him I hear things about how people have changed their lives by listening to him. If someone was so wrong or mistaken then people wouldn’t listen or follow right? Umm, no. There’s nobody that is so reprehensible or just absolutely, completely wrong that they don’t have followers. Just look at certain politicians, or this [guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Hughes_(daredevil)). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-world-is-perfect/816554.md?page=4)