::stooping down to the logic level of the OP::
Obama campaigned on both change AND hope. Hope comes from within. Are you telling me you have no hope, OMG?
Because if you do, you need to vote for Obama.
BOOM. Logic unassailable.
So you mean all those screaming people with their “change you can believe in” signs/buttons were all naive 19-year olds? You mean Obama lied about something he had no intention of changing? Should the comments from the liberals in this thread surprise me? My mind wishes to know.
My word! Every thread you post in you brag how easy you’re able to predict how liberals will react to all of your comments, links, opinions and questions. Why even bother? Does it somehow validate you to be so damn right all the time? Is that it? Self validation? Because you’re rarely actually open to any sort of debate, and your only responses seem to be along the lines of “Yep, I knew it” and “Do tell…so I can prove myself right yet again.”
To** Omg**: Smug, condescending and wrong is no way to go through life buddy.
Well, alright then.
OMG, you were right to call me out about this. In my naïveté, I didn’t realize that Obama was exactly the insider he claimed he wasn’t. He now no longer has my vote, as this issue is more important to me than any other. I voted for him not because I agree with his policies, not because I agree with his governance, and not because I liked him; my vote was predicated entirely on a single campaign slogan, and now that you have unassailably proven the lie inherent in that slogan, I must in disgust and sadness cast my vote for another candidate.
You win, etc. Truly, if the message of this wasn’t being suppressed by the lame stream media, Romney would top 350 electoral votes, easy.
“I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it.”
-FDR
FDR for all his drastic changes couldn’t shove changes down America’s throat any more than Obamacare can. We got what we have because it is more or less what the people have demanded.
I mean that your opinion means zip point shit to me, and your argument is the epitome of stupid.
A simple glance of this board will show this to be untrue. Would you like to play the proverbial game? It wouldn’t be so hard to show who your comment really references (especially since there are about multiple threads floating around which are essential circle jerks between certain posters of a certain political persuasion, where each poster just entertains some utter straw man or calls BS on a statement which can easily be cited).
But, again. People are apt to see what they want to see; apt to see what doesn’t exist; and apt to ignore what they want to ignore.
And are you people?
Which is abundantly clear in most of your posts, as well.
Obama never said that.
*"Probably my best capability is in building a good team and working with people within that team and across the aisle to get the job done, and I’m not trying to take away from somebody else. They may have their skills. Sen. McCain has been there in Washington 27 years. So he certainly has political skill, but I believe that at this time, to change Washington, it would be helpful to have somebody who comes with more private sector skill, experience outside Washington. I don’t think you change Washington from the inside. I think you change it from the outside."
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Mitt Romney December 2007
Oh hang on,
*"He said he can’t change Washington from inside. He can only change it from outside. Well, we’ll give him that chance in November, he’s going outside. I can change Washington, I will change Washington, I’ll get the job done from the inside"
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Romney, September 2012
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/0… de-washington/
He seems to have changed his tune. Fancy that.
I was mistaken that he said those very words. Those were the headlines at the time, summarized by this statement made by the President elect:
“Understand where the vision for change comes from, first and foremost,” he told reporters at his third press conference in as many days. “It comes from me. That’s my job, is to provide a vision in terms of where we are going, and to make sure, then, that my team is implementing.”
CHICAGO – In response to criticism that he is departing from his promise to bring change to Washington because several members of his economic team were Beltway insiders
As you can see, he was never really serious. The “Change comes from me.” explanation was just a way to deflect from the fact that he was building a typical Democratic administration with typical Democratic ideas that would engage in typical Democratic machine politics.
Actually, you are still butchering the quote. Obama did not say “the change comes from me.” His words are clear, he’s referring to the “vision” of change. He said it clearly twice in the quote you posted, and you still insert words in his mouth.
It’s hard to construct a good argument when we have to revert to discussions that remind me of 6th grade English class: “Now students, what is the topic sentence in this paragraph?”
You would think that, wouldn’t you? Unfortunately, it’s not true. I could offer up evidence in the form of my earlier posts, where the conversation used to go like this:
Liberal poster: “Rethuglicans are obstructionists!”
Me: “They’re not perfect, and they could probably work more with Democrats, but Democrats are no better than Republicans. so there’s no reason to act like it.”
Liberal poster: "Nuh-uh! Rethuglicans are the worst! They hate America! They want us to fail! They’re traitors! <Enter comment about the Taliban/fascism/Islamists/other inane rambling here>
In fact, I’m pretty sure that still happens now, so whatever.
Anyway, this thread asked a simple question. I’m only going by what Obama said. Those were his words, not mine.
Well that’s the liberal MSM for you, very easy to make a mistake if you refuse to actually read and comprehend what they say.
So you’re really going with the “Nuh-uh, and liberals do it too” defense?
I admire your bravery in utterly destroying that straw man.
Simple question, simple answer. Obama thought he could accomplish his goals working within Washington, glad handing and throwing his weight around as President and appealing to the opposition with some offers of compromise, though not giving up the whole ghost of the matter. In a large part he was wrong.
They said from the get go that their first and foremost goal was to not let him have a second term. Not to protect one issue or another, or to best represent their constituents, but to make sure that Obama lost this election cycle, that was and remains the main goal of the Republican legislature. Adults took this as hyperbole. They should not have.
So now, on the eve of Obama’s next term, he admits that he simply can not try to work within the confines of the usual President/Congress relationship. He is going to have to force the hand of congress by making their constituents demand it, and that is going to require him to appeal to the people, the ‘outside’, and not congress, the ‘inside.’
And that’s it. But you already knew that when you started this thread. What’s next on your list?
Serious question, as a moderate liberal: “rethuglican”? Is this a word?