# The worst case of agenda pushing yet **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 13, 2001, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405 "2001-09-13T18:27:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![MysterEcks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f475e1/32.png) [@MysterEcks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysterEcks)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2001, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405/41 "2001-09-14T06:55:36Z")
**The Tim** said: > [@](#): > > Has anyone read the fliers? He plans on picketing the funerals of those killed if I read them correctly. Doing that now just might get him killed. That’s the happiest thought I’ve had since Tuesday. ---
**Author:** ![bagkitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ab992/32.png) [@bagkitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bagkitty)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2001, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405/42 "2001-09-14T10:56:53Z")
I agree with Otto. With all due respect to the breeders in here, he’s one of yours, we don’t want him. Here’s a thought (or at least a notion) – if God is so almightily pissed for governments being so damn pro-gay, why wasn’t some place in the Netherlands the target? As for Phelps actually putting himself in danger, we manage to keep him out of Canada by the national police force (RCMP) announcing that they refuse to put on extra security to protect his cracker ass if he turns up to bait people at a funeral. Maybe you Americans should try the same thing, let him go where he wants, but don’t waste any tax dollars putting on extra police protection for him. ---
**Author:** ![Sealemon88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Sealemon88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sealemon88)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2001, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405/43 "2001-09-14T13:28:08Z")
> [@](#): > > As for Phelps actually putting himself in danger, we manage to keep him out of Canada by the national police force (RCMP) announcing that they refuse to put on extra security to protect his cracker ass if he turns up to bait people at a funeral. Maybe you Americans should try the same thing, let him go where he wants, but don’t waste any tax dollars putting on extra police protection for him. Sounds good to me. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2001, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405/44 "2001-09-14T13:51:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > Well, one way to refute the good Reverend Phelps is to note that the planes hit the WTC, and not Greenwich Village or Fire Island. If God wishes to smite us homos, He needs to get some target practice. And their destination was LA, not San Fran. I trust nobody has stayed long enough on that place of his to see that he’s faking putting a movie out? [fredthemovie.com](http://fredthemovie.com), I think, is the URL. I took a look just out of morbid curiosity. ---
**Author:** ![redtail23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3e96dc/32.png) [@redtail23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/redtail23)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2001, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405/45 "2001-09-14T20:15:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*Ugh, I don’t want him! > > I say, let the beastiality folks have 'im. He’s nothing but a beast anyways. \*\* Hey, no way! We don’t want him eith… erm, that is… You’re being awfully insulting to a group that’s never done anything to _you_! [sub] **Hey, _somebody_ had to defend them! Stop looking at me like that!** [/sub] * * * Let’s face it - no actual _humans_ want the jerk, and even the ASPCA (let alone PETA) would object to the inhumane treatment of animals if you tried to associate them with Phelps. In fact, the only scum that is vile enough and evil enough to really get along with him and his ilk would be, well I won’t name names, but I’m sure you know whom I mean. I second the motions on the Falwell/Robertson threads: let’s lock 'em all up together for 48 hours, and then drown any of them left alive. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2001, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405/46 "2001-09-14T21:45:02Z")
well, i guess living in a fucking cave in the middle of nowhere has finally paid off! i’ve never heard of fed phelps or anything he as said!! bet you all envy me now! (say, does anyone have a 6 mile extension cord handy…) ---
**Author:** ![ignatzmouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b2d939/32.png) [@ignatzmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ignatzmouse)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2001, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405/47 "2001-09-14T22:48:04Z")
We just have to make sure that no one EVER forgets that Falwell, Robertson, and Phelps, ALLIED themselves with the monsters who did this and claimed that it was God’s will that terrorists should succeed in such a strike against America. If I were a better person, I would be able to take comfort in the knowledge that they will be eternally cut off from God’s love. Unfortunately, I am not, so I will take pleasure in seeing them become the most reviled citizens of our country. Traitorous Bastards. If their follwers have any sense, they will denounce them and cast them out of their tax-deductable, church owned homes. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2001, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405/48 "2001-09-16T13:33:38Z")
This is a link to today’s editorial in the Topeka Capital-Journal. Topeka is my town(and Fred also happens to live there) I wish, considering all the counter-picketing I’ve done against Fred, that I had gone out to this, but I didn’t hear about it until it was on the news. The station didin’t mention Fred(CLEVER) just the rally. [http://cjonline.com/stories/091601/opi\_nohate.shtml](http://cjonline.com/stories/091601/opi_nohate.shtml) ---
**Author:** ![omni-not](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8dc957/32.png) [@omni-not](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/omni-not)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2001, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405/49 "2001-09-16T15:15:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Corrado \* > \*\*Y’know, according to one of the other threads in the Pit, there’s speculation that one of the three men who rushed the terrorists on the flight which was downed outside Pittsburgh was gay. In other words, if it weren’t for a homosexual, the White House could have been hit as well. > > I hope that when Phelps dies, he is found choked to death on his lover’s cock. > [Sorry- had to edit that as it was beyond the line. My apologies for slipping, there. -JMCJ] \*\* Wow! Can’t even begin to imagine what was edited, given the last sentence.😃 ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2001, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405/50 "2001-09-16T15:26:03Z")
> [@](#): > > In fact, the only scum that is vile enough and evil enough to really get along with him and his ilk would be, well I won’t name names, but I’m sure you know whom I mean. [Church Lady] Could it be… oh, I don’t know… _Satan_? [/Church Lady] Incidentally, I’d like to see some sort of legal precedent for suspending the Constitution under martial law. As far as I know, the Constitution itself makes no provision for that sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Hamish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Hamish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamish)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2001, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405/51 "2001-09-16T19:24:23Z")
In the current issue of the _Gay and Lesbian Review Worldwide_, there’s a lovely little article entitled, “Does God Punish Gays? A Statistical Approach.” The author, Janis Walworth, compared the statistics of openly gay and lesbian people in a given area (as indexed by the relative number of organizations serving the queer community), with the statistics for tornadoes by state(which are the only natural disaster, she explains, common enough to make statistical analysis possible). She cross-references this data with religious affiliation by state. Walworth finds that there is a slight _negative_ correlation between tornadoes and gay communities. In other words, a tornado is less likely to hit an area with a high concentration of gay people. She concludes, “A state with the population of, say, Alabama could avert two tornadoes a year by doubling the number of gay organizations in the state!” However, looking at the data for religious affiliation, she finds a strong correlation between certain religious viewpoints and tornadoes. Jews and Catholics have no effect on the tornado ratio at all. But, “fully half the state-to-state variation in tornado frequency can be accounted for by the presence of Protestants. And the chance that this association is merely coincidental is only one in 10,000.” Then she broke down Protestantism into various sub-groups, and found that while Lutherans don’t seem to be a problem, and Methodists only slightly increase the risk of tornadoes, Baptists – which, BTW, includes Fred Phelps – can be blamed for almost all divine wrath in the form of tornadoes. “This means that Texas could cut its average of 139 tornadoes a year by sending a few hundred thousand Baptists elsewhere,” and presumably importing gay people. ---
**Author:** ![Hamish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Hamish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamish)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2001, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405/52 "2001-09-16T19:32:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jodi \* > \*\*I’ve been waiting for the predictable idiocy to emerge, and I’ve been sort of grimly vindicated to see it, if dismayed at how quickly it’s popped up. \*\* I have one to add to your list – I already received the “attack predicted by Nostradamus” email. ``` -- Hamish ``` ---
**Author:** ![abuse\_angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d07c76/32.png) [@abuse\_angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/abuse_angel)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2001, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405/53 "2001-09-16T20:52:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hamish \* > \*\*Then she broke down Protestantism into various sub-groups, and found that while Lutherans don’t seem to be a problem, and Methodists only slightly increase the risk of tornadoes, Baptists – which, BTW, includes Fred Phelps – can be blamed for almost all divine wrath in the form of tornadoes. “This means that Texas could cut its average of 139 tornadoes a year by sending a few hundred thousand Baptists elsewhere,” and presumably importing gay people. \*\* which explains why the montrose (houston) never gets hit by anything… ---
**Author:** ![Zenster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/cdc98d/32.png) [@Zenster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zenster)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2001, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405/54 "2001-09-16T22:16:12Z")
This guy is a black eye to all Christians and if there is a Hell, he is certainly destined for it. Trying to make moral capital out of last Tuesday’s tragedy is as low as you can go. I hope he dies slowly, very slowly. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2001, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405/55 "2001-09-17T00:27:03Z")
Someone else posted this in another thread, and I found it very interesting: [http://www.godhatesfundies.com/misc/ath/](http://www.godhatesfundies.com/misc/ath/) I find it interesting that quite a few of his children are estranged from him-one went so far as to change her name. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2001, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405/56 "2001-09-17T12:31:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Demise \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > > \*\*What an utter idiot. Just curious, guys. Can he just say this, even under these circumstances? I’m all for freedom of speech, but I think someone who spouts crap like the above _at a time like this_ should be **stopped**. This isn’t just hurtful to gays. It’s hurtful to all people with a fucking _brain_. \*\* > > He can say whatever he wants as long as it’s not slander of a particular person.\*\* Go to his site and read his page on Gary Conduit. I’m going to e-mail it to Conduit so he can sue. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2001, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405/57 "2001-09-19T00:33:56Z")
Fred now has a fax out stating that the WBC will picket the funeral of American Airlines pilot David Charlebois, who was pilot for the plane that hit the Pentagon. Fred says he was gay(not sure if it’s true, irrelevant in any case) and that all the people who died are now burning in hell. He says “if the fags triy and have a secret funeral then we will picket his house and lover------” and proceeds to state where they lived. ---
**Author:** ![bagkitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ab992/32.png) [@bagkitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bagkitty)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2001, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405/58 "2001-09-19T02:58:22Z")
**Hamish** : I just read your weird and wonderful post about the correlation between religious belief and weather-related disasters… gotta admit, I loved it. Can I be your cyber-stalker? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2001, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405/59 "2001-09-19T03:02:25Z")
I no longer even take the guy seriously, except that perhaps he can be shut down for carrying someone’s ADDRESS on his site? He’s nuts. He’s seriously seriously mentally deranged. I can’t even scream at him anymore, because I want to stay AWAY from the guy. He’s seriously fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![Persephone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ecc23a/32.png) [@Persephone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Persephone)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2001, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405/60 "2001-09-19T03:13:29Z")
**Baker:** You’re kidding, right? _Right???_ Dear Goddess, I think my brain just melted. I cannot think of another word to say. Excuse me while I go throw up. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-worst-case-of-agenda-pushing-yet/81405.md?page=4)