# The WoW "Burning Dog Legion" (Cairne/Horde) 10-man Raid List. **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 15, 2010, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561 "2010-03-15T17:36:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561/401 "2010-06-29T14:40:42Z")
Post-mortem analysis: 1. I like our attitude. I didn’t detect any frustration after several wipes at the Northrend Beasts and then again at the Faction Champs. 2. We’re definitely improving. Those worms are still giving us some trouble but we’re taking care of Morlok and Icehowl really well. 3. Jaxx is not the most difficult fight in the instance, but to one-shot him on our first attempt without a single death is something to be proud of 4. Faction Champs are _hard_. It just takes more practice. We’ll do better every week. We should decide if we want to extend our lock to next week and start at FC, or let the raid reset and start from the beginning. I’m really fine either way, but we should consider if there are drops from the first two fights that folks in our group might need. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561/402 "2010-06-29T15:00:43Z")
Grats on the progress. I’m sorry I couldn’t be there last night, I had a really bad day yesterday and wouldn’t have been in a good frame of mind. I tried to log on for just half an hour to do daily stuff, and even that was completely fouled up with problems that I mentioned in the omnibus thread. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561/403 "2010-06-29T15:14:02Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > We one-shot Lord Jaraxxus, but then wiped a few times on the faction champs; couldn’t quite get the healers down fast enough - our best result had the second healer hitting the floor at about the same time as we lost the fourth out of ten of us. Grats on NRB and especially the Jaxx one-shot! Here are my tips for Faction Champs. 1.) Have one ranged DPS, probably a Hunter, focus their attentions on an enemy pet. They don’t want to kill it–just keep its health low. The enemy healers choose who to heal based on absolute numbers, not percentages–this will keep them spamming the pet over and over again. 2.) Kill the melee DPS first. They’re the ones who will really eat you alive. Deal with the healers in the meantime by CCing the Druid if possible (Banish from a Warlock) and assigning people to interrupt/stun/fear the other healers. Note that if you follow #1 above, the people locking down the healers should ignore any heals going to the pet and save their interrupts etc. for anything that’s actually going to the current target. People will argue about which melee to kill first, but they’re all a pain in the ass. The one exception is that you probably want to get the Shaman down first, because of BL/Hero and totems. 3.) After the melee DPS, we usually get the ranged, but you could choose to do the healers here instead. 4.) Make sure you’re dispelling offensively. Especially essential for Heroism/Bloodlust, but Polymorph and Hex really need to be dealt with quickly. If a Shaman is up, you may want to assign someone to killing totems. 5.) Make sure you’re interrupting/disarming whenever possible, especially on the worst AOEs (e.g., Hellfire). 6.) Advance technique and a potentially dangerous one: have one of your tanks act as bait. They should run in first to get initial aggro, then allow their health to drop to about 50%… and stay around that point. The enemy DPS will focus their attentions on this person because of their low health. This is a great strat, but it requires a lot of focus and skill from both the tank and the healers, so that they don’t let their health get too high (enemies lose interest) or too low (death). ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561/404 "2010-06-29T15:14:07Z")
I just remembered I’ll be on vacation next week with no Wow, so it _really_ doesn’t matter to me if we extend the lock or not because I won’t be there. Good luck though! ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561/405 "2010-06-29T15:18:38Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Grats on NRB and especially the Jaxx one-shot! > > Here are my tips for Faction Champs. > > 1.) Have one ranged DPS, probably a Hunter, focus their attentions on an enemy pet. They don’t want to kill it–just keep its health low. The enemy healers choose who to heal based on absolute numbers, not percentages–this will keep them spamming the pet over and over again. > > 2.) Kill the melee DPS first. They’re the ones who will really eat you alive. Deal with the healers in the meantime by CCing the Druid if possible (Banish from a Warlock) and assigning people to interrupt/stun/fear the other healers. Note that if you follow #1 above, the people locking down the healers should ignore any heals going to the pet and save their interrupts etc. for anything that’s actually going to the current target. People will argue about which melee to kill first, but they’re all a pain in the ass. The one exception is that you probably want to get the Shaman down first, because of BL/Hero and totems. > > 3.) After the melee DPS, we usually get the ranged, but you could choose to do the healers here instead. > > 4.) Make sure you’re dispelling offensively. Especially essential for Heroism/Bloodlust, but Polymorph and Hex really need to be dealt with quickly. If a Shaman is up, you may want to assign someone to killing totems. > > 5.) Make sure you’re interrupting/disarming whenever possible, especially on the worst AOEs (e.g., Hellfire). > > 6.) Advance technique and a potentially dangerous one: have one of your tanks act as bait. They should run in first to get initial aggro, then allow their health to drop to about 50%… and stay around that point. The enemy DPS will focus their attentions on this person because of their low health. This is a great strat, but it requires a lot of focus and skill from both the tank and the healers, so that they don’t let their health get too high (enemies lose interest) or too low (death). It seemed to me that the (ret?) pally and the shaman (totems) were really hurting us the most – that jibes with your advice. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561/406 "2010-06-29T16:03:37Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > It seemed to me that the (ret?) pally and the shaman (totems) were really hurting us the most – that jibes with your advice. Yes, in 10-man the enhancement shaman is by far the most deadly, in my experience. He should always be your number one kill priority. If we had good interrupters/CCers we always just left the healers up and whittled down the DPS. As long as you can kill two of them before they wipe you out you almost can’t lose (the healers never do any damage). And yes, offensive dispels are critical, as is a mortal strike (or hunter Aimed Shot) on the kill target. Mass Dispel is a God-send. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561/407 "2010-06-29T16:19:01Z")
And I’m pretty sure you can taunt (for at least a few seconds) in regular mode, so your tanks may be able to save people that way. (Any plate class, really–better the hostile DPS is hammering on someone in heavy armor than Cloth or Leather.) ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561/408 "2010-06-29T16:29:26Z")
I keep thinking I need to roll up a Holy Pally for BDL. With Priests and Druids as our main healing force, we’re a bit underpowered in the strong spike healing. And Beacon would save our bacon so many times. \<3 Beacon. Sadly I’m so freaking sick of leveling characters at this point that I’d only do it if I could roll a Paladin at 80. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Shin\_Kell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/97f17d/32.png) [@Shin\_Kell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shin_Kell)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561/409 "2010-06-29T16:38:54Z")
We did pretty awesome last night. Faction Champs is a pain though. It was us: 3 DK’s, 2 mages, 2 priests, druid, and 2 paladins vs Tree, Holy Paladin, Hunter, Shadow Priest, DK, and Enhance shaman Pretty sure I failed on marking the kill order properly since I’ve only ever healed that fight. I just zone out during the kill order and then swear at my raid frames during the fight. I’m sure we’ll get them down next time though! ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561/410 "2010-06-29T16:42:02Z")
FWIW, IMO: Shaman \> DK \> SPriest \> Hunter \> Tree \> Pally. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561/411 "2010-06-29T17:24:26Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > I keep thinking I need to roll up a Holy Pally for BDL. With Priests and Druids as our main healing force, we’re a bit underpowered in the strong spike healing. And Beacon would save our bacon so many times. \<3 Beacon. > > Sadly I’m so freaking sick of leveling characters at this point that I’d only do it if I could roll a Paladin at 80. 😛 Well, we just had a level 80 holy pally join the guild (Rolando?) and I’m levelling one who’s at 74, so we’re getting there. Shin Kell is levelling a pally too who I don’t think is Holy now but I don’t know what Shin is planning for him. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561/412 "2010-06-29T23:39:04Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > …one guy got run over by Icehowl but the rest of us managed to get the rhythm down on the strafing and took him down pretty easily. Hangs head in shame…:o ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561/413 "2010-06-29T23:50:16Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > Hangs head in shame…:o Well it _was_ funny when in chat you said “wwqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq”😃 ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561/414 "2010-06-30T00:13:34Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Well it _was_ funny when in chat you said “wwqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq”😃 Then make it a double…⭕o For the next time: [Tankspot toc10 faction champs strategy](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9W9c1xymBk&feature=channel) [Heh, a more amusing strategy](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMPE5wIObZw&feature=related) ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561/415 "2010-06-30T00:40:29Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > Hangs head in shame…:o Well, at least you didn’t try to tank Gormok by punching him.:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561/416 "2010-06-30T01:25:34Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > DBM (I think) gave me a ping on my minimap for which guy IceHowl was going to run into, which was helpful. > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Personally, I never saw the point of that. Why have to look up at the minimap, see the ping, figure out where you are, and then figure out where you are in relation to the ping, when you could just look straight up at which way the boss is facing? > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Simpler pattern recognition. I’m here on the little circle, he’s going to that point on the little circle, therefore I have to go (left/right/stand still). > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I guess. I still don’t see how that’s any easier than seeing what way he’s actually facing at the time. But \*de gustibus non est disputandum \*and all that. I realized last night why I REALLY found it useful; with my normal camera angle, I get a big faceful of Tauren shoulderpads when I get shoved back against the wall and can’t see anything past 'em. If I was a weenie little night elf it might be different. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561/417 "2010-06-30T14:35:21Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Well it _was_ funny when in chat you said “wwqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq”😃 If I had a dollar for every time I did something like that… > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > I realized last night why I REALLY found it useful; with my normal camera angle, I get a big faceful of Tauren shoulderpads when I get shoved back against the wall and can’t see anything past 'em. If I was a weenie little night elf it might be different. Hey! I resemble that remark… ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561/418 "2010-06-30T14:46:04Z")
Okay – reminder: Burning Dog Legion alt dungeon run tonight for level 70-ish types. On the agenda: **Magister’s Terrace**. We’ll be starting at 9:00 or as soon as we have 5 people ready to go. This is our last Burning Crusade dungeon! There will be no alt run next Wednesday night - I’ll be on vacation with no broadband connection. Actually no internet at all. In fact no computer. To be honest, no electricity. Or, for that matter, plumbing or utilities of any kind. So I’ll think of you guys while I’m sitting back in my motorboat angling for walleye on the pristine lakes of northwestern Ontario. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561/419 "2010-06-30T20:00:16Z")
I’m afraid I’m going to have to miss this one - I’m way too wiped. Bummer; I was looking forward to MT, since it would only be the second time (the first being Naxx) that I’d actually fought someone in WoW who appeared in Warcraft III. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561/420 "2010-06-30T20:19:40Z")
You never got Azjol-Nerub as your daily Heroic? (Anub’Arak was in WCIII, right?) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-wow-burning-dog-legion-cairne-horde-10-man-raid-list/532561.md?page=22)