# The Younger Gens Bush: Thank God for Family Values **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 28, 2005, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813 "2005-09-28T05:50:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813/81 "2005-09-29T00:22:11Z")
I am loathe to bring the kids into politics, but to me, it simply looks like the Bushes are not very good parents. Or good leaders for that matter. Oh, and Bush is a drunk cokehead fuckwad. Sue me. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813/82 "2005-09-29T00:33:38Z")
> [@BabaBooey](#): > > Minor In Possession (of alcohol). > > **Maureen** I have to say that although that may be the case with vocal, mainstream righties, I know quite a few Catholic conservatives that don’t consider sex/drugs/rock&roll to be horrible things when done responsibly. As do I. I’m not referring to them. I’m referring to the over the top ideologues who run their campaigns based on the aforementioned “values.” To demonize their political opponents and condescendingly shake their heads at their parenting skills while raising a generation of spoiled monsters with a sense of entitlement the size of the state they claim to hail from is hypocracy, to say the least. ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813/83 "2005-09-29T00:53:46Z")
> [@UncleBeer](#): > > Ya know, slander is a prosecutable offense. You have something more substantial than an observation posted in a blog on which you’re basing your remark - right? I’m not defending slander by any means, but since even in the Pit we’re supposed to fight ignorance, in American jurisprudence slander is a civil tort and not a prosecutable criminal offense. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813/84 "2005-09-29T01:14:33Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > I prefer Bush the Elder, and Bush the Younger myself. LORD PALMERSTON! ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813/85 "2005-09-29T02:00:18Z")
I favor **Triskadecamus** ’ moniker myself: George the Second; very reminiscent of George III, and we all know what _he_ did… ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813/86 "2005-09-29T02:15:49Z")
> [@PinkMarabou](#): > > To someone who’s been there, the signs become all too obvious. > [@](#): > > Dubya still does cocaine and > [@](#): > > I also have no doubt he still hits the bottle as well. and > [@](#): > > this is all over the internet and talk radio So basically, these things are true because **PinkMarabou** thinks they are? I’ll have to remember that’s the new standard for cites around here, at least in the Pit. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813/87 "2005-09-29T02:22:58Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > and > > and > > So basically, these things are true because **PinkMarabou** thinks they are? > > I’ll have to remember that’s the new standard for cites around here, at least in the Pit. :rolleyes: I think Bush is the worst President in my lifetime, (this includes Nixon) but I have to agree with you. **PinkMarabou** , this is your opinion and belief. I don’t think it can be backed up with facts. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813/88 "2005-09-29T02:23:26Z")
No. They’re clear indications to someone who has been in the position of recovering from addiction to cocaine. She didn’t say she had proof or cites. Try a little reading comprehension. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813/89 "2005-09-29T02:26:03Z")
Here’s a cite…of sorts. The National Enquirer claims that [Bush is Drinking Again](http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/63426). Before you laugh, remember that the Enquirer originally broke the Monica Lewinski story. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813/90 "2005-09-29T02:30:34Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Here’s a cite…of sorts. The National Enquirer claims that [Bush is Drinking Again](http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/63426). > > Before you laugh, remember that the Enquirer originally broke the Monica Lewinski story. Well Okay now I believe it. :smack: 😃 :dubious: :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813/91 "2005-09-29T02:37:54Z")
Hey, a lot of what the NE publishes is true these days. I don’t think they make things up out of whole cloth anymore. I’m willing to believe that a paid source actually told them this stuff. Of course, that doesn’t mean the source is telling the truth, but a guy can hope, can’t he? 😉 Seriously, how much would it rock to see Shrub give a stumbling drunk Stae of the Union Address? I hope he’s back on the sauce just for the sheer entertainment value it could bring. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813/92 "2005-09-29T02:39:40Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Hey, a lot of what the NE publishes is true these days. I don’t think they make things up out of whole cloth anymore. I’m willing to believe that a paid source actually told them this stuff. Of course, that doesn’t mean the source is telling the truth, but a guy can hope, can’t he? 😉 > > Seriously, how much would it rock to see Shrub give a stumbling drunk Stae of the Union Address? I hope he’s back on the sauce just for the sheer entertainment value it could bring. It would be awesome on one level but on the other hand Sober Bush sucks enough, Drunk and on a Bender Bush is truly frightning. We could end up at war with Canada. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813/93 "2005-09-29T02:44:34Z")
He already spends money like drunken sailor… ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813/94 "2005-09-29T03:18:22Z")
> [@if6was9](#): > > Now you’re just shamelessly trying to influence the Google ads. 😛 You say that like it’s a bad thing. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813/95 "2005-09-29T03:36:44Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Here’s a cite…of sorts. The National Enquirer claims that [Bush is Drinking Again](http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/63426). Well, the Enquirer’s medical commentary is by some guy trying to sell a book, so take that what it’s worth. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813/96 "2005-09-29T03:52:25Z")
> [@zamboniracer](#): > > I’m not defending slander by any means, but since even in the Pit we’re supposed to fight ignorance, in American jurisprudence slander is a civil tort and not a prosecutable criminal offense. It’s both. For example, in Wisconsin: quote=Wis.Stats. ch.942.01(1)-(4)] **Defamation** (1) Whoever with intent to defame communicates any defamatory matter to a third person without the consent of the person defamed is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor. (2) Defamatory matter is anything which exposes the other to hatred, contempt, ridicule, degradation or disgrace in society or injury in the other’s business or occupation. (3) This section does not apply if the defamatory matter was true and was communicated with good motives and for justifiable ends or if the communication was otherwise privileged. (4) No person shall be convicted on the basis of an oral communication of defamatory matter except upon the testimony of 2 other persons that they heard and understood the oral statement as defamatory or upon a plea of guilty or no contest. [/quote] ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813/97 "2005-09-29T03:54:43Z")
> [@zamboniracer](#): > > I’m not defending slander by any means, but since even in the Pit we’re supposed to fight ignorance, in American jurisprudence slander is a civil tort and not a prosecutable criminal offense. It’s both. For example, in Wisconsin: > [@Wis.Stats. ch.942.01(1)-(4)](#): > > **Defamation** > (1) Whoever with intent to defame communicates any defamatory matter to a third person without the consent of the person defamed is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor. > > (2) Defamatory matter is anything which exposes the other to hatred, contempt, ridicule, degradation or disgrace in society or injury in the other’s business or occupation. > > (3) This section does not apply if the defamatory matter was true and was communicated with good motives and for justifiable ends or if the communication was otherwise privileged. > > (4) No person shall be convicted on the basis of an oral communication of defamatory matter except upon the testimony of 2 other persons that they heard and understood the oral statement as defamatory or upon a plea of guilty or no contest. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813/98 "2005-09-29T11:26:55Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Seriously, how much would it rock to see Shrub give a stumbling drunk State of the Union Address? I hope he’s back on the sauce just for the sheer entertainment value it could bring. _This is why I don’t cry when we start to invade I don’t get angry at the bills we have to pay I don’t get angry when the Prez smokes pot Hits the bottle and goes right to the rock_ With apologies to Sublime ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813/99 "2005-09-29T12:28:19Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Before you laugh, remember that the Enquirer originally broke the Monica Lewinski story. M’lud, I think you’ll find that Drudge stole it from Isikoff at Newsweek. Anyway, if one is trying to uphold the journalistic integrity of the National Enquirer, it might be better not to try, ya know? Who would have been their source, anyway? One of the alien abductees? Oh, right, sorry, that’s the Weekly World News. The Enquirer is all celebrity gossip. If Bush is really back off the wagon, it’ll show directly soon enough. If he had a momentary relapse, so what? ---
**Author:** ![PinkMarabou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ec9cab/32.png) [@PinkMarabou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PinkMarabou)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813/100 "2005-09-29T12:36:33Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > No. They’re clear indications to someone who has been in the position of recovering from addiction to cocaine. She didn’t say she had proof or cites. Try a little reading comprehension. Exactly. Thanks for reiterating what I have said a couple times in this thread. It baffles me how some people can read these things over and over and still not get it. Reading comprehension indeed! * * * NEW RULE: Posters are not allowed to use personal experiences, anecdotes, and advice. It will be discounted by other posters who have no experience with it and who have no idea what it is like to be in that position. They are more knowledgable than you because they say so and you better listen to them because their shit smells like roses in bloom. You especially can not say it when it has something to do with George W’s failings. He is holier than thou and can do no wrong. He does not experience things that normal human beings do. He must be the second coming of Christ. I shall now pray to Jesus W. Bush. Forgive me my fellow posters for thinking for one moment that he is not perfect, that his life has been a beacon of light that we all shall strive to attain, and that he, above all others, shall be my leader and I will forever be humble to his teachings. Amen! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-younger-gens-bush-thank-god-for-family-values/323813.md?page=6)