# Their WOMEN are blowing themselves up. They are too hard core. Give up.
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/their-women-are-blowing-themselves-up-they-are-too-hard-core-give-up/334339
**Category:** Great Debates
**Created:** [December 6, 2005, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/their-women-are-blowing-themselves-up-they-are-too-hard-core-give-up/334339 "2005-12-06T12:07:02Z")
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### Author:  [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2005, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/their-women-are-blowing-themselves-up-they-are-too-hard-core-give-up/334339/1 "2005-12-06T12:07:02Z")
The latest incident involving a female suipyrocide makes, what four out of five running?
These girls apparently WERE the real sleepers–they were students at the police academy–so are we to infer that they have been walking around planning this for , how long? a week, surely. A month, maybe.
I submit that it time to surrender. Because we are confronting a moral force that is simply terrifying.
(don’t get all freaky about theword “moral”–I mean it in the “gravitas” sense)
By surrender,I mean go home
That’s all they want, and they seem to really want it an awful lot.
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### Author:  [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2005, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/their-women-are-blowing-themselves-up-they-are-too-hard-core-give-up/334339/2 "2005-12-06T12:10:41Z")
[http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1376602](http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1376602)
AGHDAD, Iraq Dec 6, 2005 — Two women strapped with explosives blew themselves up at Baghdad’s police academy on Tuesday, killing 27 people and wounding 32, the U.S. military said.
The women blew themselves up in a classroom filled with students, the statement from Task Force Baghdad said. No U.S. forces were killed or wounded in the attack, it added.
U.S. forces rushed to the scene to provide assistance, the statement said.
Witness at
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### Author:  [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2005, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/their-women-are-blowing-themselves-up-they-are-too-hard-core-give-up/334339/3 "2005-12-06T12:14:26Z")
“To be responsible, one needs to stop defining success in Iraq as the absence of terrorist attacks,” Rumsfeld said in remarks at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies.
well this is news. Sounds like Rusfeld knows he’s lost, and that quote predates this latest blood curdling demostration of the force of will that dumb George has let out of the bottle.
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### Author:  [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2005, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/their-women-are-blowing-themselves-up-they-are-too-hard-core-give-up/334339/4 "2005-12-06T12:17:01Z")
Disclaimer:To be fair, I think I declared the war lost in May 03, so I’m a known pussy…
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### Author:  [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2005, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/their-women-are-blowing-themselves-up-they-are-too-hard-core-give-up/334339/5 "2005-12-06T12:19:38Z")
Is this a private thread, or can anyone post?
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### Author:  [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2005, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/their-women-are-blowing-themselves-up-they-are-too-hard-core-give-up/334339/6 "2005-12-06T12:20:48Z")
> [@alaricthegoth](#):
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> The latest incident involving a female suipyrocide makes, what four out of five running?
>
> These girls apparently WERE the real sleepers–they were students at the police academy–so are we to infer that they have been walking around planning this for , how long? a week, surely. A month, maybe.
>
> I submit that it time to surrender. Because we are confronting a moral force that is simply terrifying.
>
> (don’t get all freaky about theword “moral”–I mean it in the “gravitas” sense)
>
> By surrender,I mean go home
>
> That’s all they want, and they seem to really want it an awful lot.
Heh, what a great way to live life, or run a nation. As soon as it gets hard, quit! Now that’s a formula for success
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### Author:  [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2005, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/their-women-are-blowing-themselves-up-they-are-too-hard-core-give-up/334339/7 "2005-12-06T12:26:39Z")
> [@spifflog](#):
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> Heh, what a great way to live life, or run a nation. As soon as it gets hard, quit! Now that’s a formula for success
Tell ya’ what partner spiffy.
I’m putting YOU in charge of recruiting MALE suicide bombers to carry our flag in this little derby–and remember, like dick cheney or harriet miers, sometimes the head of the search committee turns out to be the man for the job…
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### Author:  [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2005, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/their-women-are-blowing-themselves-up-they-are-too-hard-core-give-up/334339/8 "2005-12-06T12:31:49Z")
> [@alaricthegoth](#):
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> Tell ya’ what partner spiffy.
>
> I’m putting YOU in charge of recruiting MALE suicide bombers to carry our flag in this little derby–and remember, like dick cheney or harriet miers, sometimes the head of the search committee turns out to be the man for the job…
Well, alarith, I have been there, so I guess I have proven to be one of the men for the job.
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### Author:  [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2005, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/their-women-are-blowing-themselves-up-they-are-too-hard-core-give-up/334339/9 "2005-12-06T12:34:09Z")
I wonder if this is a new Iraqi technical innovation. Auto-blow-up-dolls. Will save you all the hassle of having to blow it up yourself.
**alaricthegoth** don’t you think your handle is a bit misnamed? I don’t think Alaric would appreciate being used by a pussy.
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### Author:  [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2005, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/their-women-are-blowing-themselves-up-they-are-too-hard-core-give-up/334339/10 "2005-12-06T12:40:16Z")
Suicide bombers are pathetic losers and the people who send them are scum. I have nothing but contempt for either.
They’re also not that scary. Is the fact that they’re willing to die what’s got you so shook up, **Alaric**? Big fucking deal. Any soldier can die for his cause. There’s nothing special about the will to die - the will _not_ to die is much more imressive. If your will _not_ to die is strong enough, you won’t die. If you refuse to let your troops die, then you won’t lose your army.
Victory goes to the side with the strongest survival skills, and survival skills are one thing those suicide terrorists have in short supply.
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### Author:  [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2005, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/their-women-are-blowing-themselves-up-they-are-too-hard-core-give-up/334339/11 "2005-12-06T12:42:55Z")
[QUOTE=Alessan]
Suicide bombers are pathetic losers and the people who send them are scum. I have nothing but contempt for either.
They’re also not that scary. Is the fact that they’re willing to die what’s got you so shook up, **Alaric**? Big fucking deal. Any soldier can die for his cause. There’s nothing special about the will to die - the will _not_ to die is much more imressive. If your will _not_ to die is strong enough, you won’t die. If you refuse to let your troops die, then you won’t lose you
sure-that’s easy for YOU to say. You’re an Israeli chick.
You’ve doubltless done two years IDF, etc. You are also hard core, and if the usa was trying to occupy Israel, I would have the same advice.
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### Author:  [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2005, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/their-women-are-blowing-themselves-up-they-are-too-hard-core-give-up/334339/12 "2005-12-06T12:44:21Z")
to belabor my point, have you seen jenna and her sister?
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### Author:  [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2005, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/their-women-are-blowing-themselves-up-they-are-too-hard-core-give-up/334339/13 "2005-12-06T12:51:40Z")
> [@alaricthegoth](#):
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> sure-that’s easy for YOU to say. You’re an Israeli chick.
_Coos okhtoc_. I’ve been on this board for five fucking years, and people STILL don’t know my gender?
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### Author:  [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2005, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/their-women-are-blowing-themselves-up-they-are-too-hard-core-give-up/334339/14 "2005-12-06T12:52:26Z")
Is it so difficult for you to understand that, even though one is a mere woman, one might still be passionate enough about a cause to live and die for it? Why should men be limited to the passionate, cruel idiocy that leads them to be suicide/homicide bombers?
By the way, I’m an Anglo-American chick, yet I would live or die for the cause if the cause were right.
CJ
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### Author:  [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2005, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/their-women-are-blowing-themselves-up-they-are-too-hard-core-give-up/334339/15 "2005-12-06T13:01:36Z")
> [@Siege](#):
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> Is it so difficult for you to understand that, even though one is a mere woman, one might still be passionate enough about a cause to live and die for it? Why should men be limited to the passionate, cruel idiocy that leads them to be suicide/homicide bombers?
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> By the way, I’m an Anglo-American chick, yet I would live or die for the cause if the cause were right.
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> CJ
my mind says sure.
my dna screams no.
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### Author:  [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2005, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/their-women-are-blowing-themselves-up-they-are-too-hard-core-give-up/334339/16 "2005-12-06T13:04:54Z")
> [@Alessan](#):
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> _Coos okhtoc_. I’ve been on this board for five fucking years, and people STILL don’t know my gender?
oops–there was something about a teething 10 mo old and i think my sexism is showing
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### Author:  [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2005, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/their-women-are-blowing-themselves-up-they-are-too-hard-core-give-up/334339/17 "2005-12-06T13:22:07Z")
> [@Siege](#):
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> Is it so difficult for you to understand that, even though one is a mere woman, one might still be passionate enough about a cause to live and die for it? Why should men be limited to the passionate, cruel idiocy that leads them to be suicide/homicide bombers?
>
> By the way, I’m an Anglo-American chick, yet I would live or die for the cause if the cause were right.
>
> CJ
Yeah, but you’d be patting fretfully at your dress and saying “Does my bomb look big in this?” 😃
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### Author:  [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2005, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/their-women-are-blowing-themselves-up-they-are-too-hard-core-give-up/334339/18 "2005-12-06T13:35:12Z")
Count me as one who never thought we should attack Iraq in the first place, but the fact that there’s women doing this makes no difference to me. So an ovary hits the wall instead of a testical, that’s supposed make a difference? Women can be crazy too, this should not be news to anybody.
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### Author:  [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2005, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/their-women-are-blowing-themselves-up-they-are-too-hard-core-give-up/334339/19 "2005-12-06T13:43:31Z")
I’d just be interested to know, or rather _I want to be reassured_ that the people crying out for withdrawal from Iraq now aren’t any of the same people who were demanding that it was our moral duty to wade in there in the first place and that we would definitely stay until we had sorted it out.
Somebody please just tell me what I need to hear, please.
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### Author:  [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2005, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/their-women-are-blowing-themselves-up-they-are-too-hard-core-give-up/334339/20 "2005-12-06T14:21:52Z")
“Suipyrocide?”
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