# Theists: I am still alive: Valteron **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 7, 2007, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theists-i-am-still-alive-valteron/429176 "2007-12-07T16:40:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2007, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theists-i-am-still-alive-valteron/429176/41 "2007-12-07T17:48:25Z")
You really think God is in a hurry to see you? If anything, your longevity might consitute proof of His existence. Get back to us when you’re 250. **Der Trihs** used to be at the top of my list of fellow atheists whose ridiculous arguments make me suspect they are actually theistic _agents provocateurs_. Congratulations on the upset. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2007, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theists-i-am-still-alive-valteron/429176/42 "2007-12-07T17:52:21Z")
The title of this thread reminds me of that old joke: “God is dead.” - Nietzsche “Nietzsche is dead.” - God “I am still alive.” - Valteron “You’re still dead to me.” - God ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2007, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theists-i-am-still-alive-valteron/429176/43 "2007-12-07T17:58:29Z")
[QUOTE=Valteron] **I ACTUALLY LAID MY LIFE ON THE LINE, DANG IT ALL!** [/QUOTE] Perhaps he thought it better that you live rather than die to prove something to a bunch of strangers on the Internet. Did you honestly expect this little stunt would deconvert anyone? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2007, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theists-i-am-still-alive-valteron/429176/44 "2007-12-07T17:59:59Z")
[QUOTE=Valteron] What you are giving me is a slightly varied version of the argument I get from a lot of Muslims with whom I debate on the internet. [/QUOTE] I think I just figured out why so many Muslims hate the West. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2007, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theists-i-am-still-alive-valteron/429176/45 "2007-12-07T18:01:23Z")
[QUOTE=Valteron] Guess what, I am still alive. [/QUOTE] Well, damn. I was hoping to get your DVD player. Mine’s crapping out on me. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2007, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theists-i-am-still-alive-valteron/429176/46 "2007-12-07T18:03:36Z")
[QUOTE=Valteron] I have been VERY insolent to the alleged God in the past couple of hours, would you not agree? Indeed, if I were in a country like Saudi Arabia making these statements I would be in deep shit for blasphemy. So why has God not reacted? [/QUOTE] You don’t know God, so how do you know you are knocking at the right door? Be careful if someone/something answers that door you knock at: [QUOTE=Jude 1:10 - NIV] Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals—these are the very things that destroy them. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2007, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theists-i-am-still-alive-valteron/429176/47 "2007-12-07T18:04:47Z")
[QUOTE=Valteron] Guess what, I am still alive. God did not tak me up on my challenge. [/QUOTE] Mitt Romney told me to remind you that you’re making a religion out of secularism. Of course Mitt is an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnieEnigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dfb087/32.png) [@JohnnieEnigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnnieEnigma)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2007, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theists-i-am-still-alive-valteron/429176/48 "2007-12-07T18:07:08Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] The title of this thread reminds me of that old joke: “God is dead.” - Nietzsche “Nietzsche is dead.” - God “I am still alive.” - Valteron “You’re still dead to me.” - God [/QUOTE] “I created you as the unique and special individual you are, Valteron, and I still love you.” - God 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2007, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theists-i-am-still-alive-valteron/429176/49 "2007-12-07T18:11:52Z")
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip] You really think God is in a hurry to see you? If anything, your longevity might consitute proof of His existence. Get back to us when you’re 250. [/QUOTE] But does God not see me right now anyway? Every answer I get seems to be based on the old trick of violating the scientific principle of “falsifiability”. To see what is meant by this principle, see [this article](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability) It is funny how much thiesm and religious belief has always made itself immune to criticism by being unfalsifiable in the modern, scientific sense. The oracle of Delphi was once asked by a general whether he should go on a miltary campaign. The “god’s” answer was “You will go, you will return . . . . . never in war will you perish.” After the general was killed in the campaign, his widow reproroved the Oracle, only to be told that the message was really “You will go, you will return never. . . . . in war will you perish.” By the way, I realize the Oracle would not have spoken English. But this sentence structure works in Latin and Greek as well as in English, so it is not impossible the Oracle could have used this trick. What is amazing is how the human race never seems to catch on and smarten up in the face of the shell game that theism and religion have been playing for all these thousands of years. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2007, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theists-i-am-still-alive-valteron/429176/50 "2007-12-07T18:18:35Z")
[QUOTE=Valteron] What is amazing is how the human race never seems to catch on and smarten up in the face of the shell game that theism and religion have been playing for all these thousands of years. [/QUOTE] So you thought a shell game of your own, and a simple and poorly-constructed one at that, would expose _that_ shell game? ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2007, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theists-i-am-still-alive-valteron/429176/51 "2007-12-07T18:22:25Z")
So we’re supposed to operate on faith alone, to “not put the Lord your God to the test”. How this is different from any other scam, I cannot divine. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2007, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theists-i-am-still-alive-valteron/429176/52 "2007-12-07T18:30:02Z")
Well, sorry to tell you athiests this but I just proved that God exists. I prayed to God and asked it to prove to me that it exists by not letting me die within the next 10 ten minutes. That was about 12 minutes ago. So there you are proof that God exists. ---
**Author:** ![chowder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@chowder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chowder)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2007, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theists-i-am-still-alive-valteron/429176/53 "2007-12-07T18:30:53Z")
[QUOTE=Giles] Smitten. But I for one am glad that Krishna did not smite Valteron so that he was reincarnated as a newt. Or perhaps Loki, trickster that he is, will just smite Valteron in his own good time. [/QUOTE] Well I’m madly in love with Scarlet Johansson, am I smitten or smoted or what 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2007, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theists-i-am-still-alive-valteron/429176/54 "2007-12-07T18:34:00Z")
[QUOTE=chowder] Well I’m madly in love with Scarlet Johansson, am I smitten or smoted or what 😛 [/QUOTE] Ms Johansson has smitten thousands, if not millions, with her unique beauty. ---
**Author:** ![chowder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@chowder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chowder)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2007, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theists-i-am-still-alive-valteron/429176/55 "2007-12-07T18:44:56Z")
[QUOTE=Giles] Ms Johansson has smitten thousands, if not millions, with her unique beauty. [/QUOTE] So like, erm I’m one of the undead…braaaaiiiiiiiinns ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2007, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theists-i-am-still-alive-valteron/429176/56 "2007-12-07T18:51:38Z")
[QUOTE=Tahssa] Well, sorry to tell you athiests this but I just proved that God exists. I prayed to God and asked it to prove to me that it exists by not letting me die within the next 10 ten minutes. That was about 12 minutes ago. So there you are proof that God exists. [/QUOTE] God is really, really good at doing nothing, and he’ll do it by request! Repeatedly! You could do a scientific study, asking god to do nothing repeatedly in a properly monitored environment, and you could scientifically prove that god does indeed do nothing when so requested! ---
**Author:** ![CJJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecc23a/32.png) [@CJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CJJ)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2007, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theists-i-am-still-alive-valteron/429176/57 "2007-12-07T18:55:59Z")
[QUOTE=Valteron] So why has God not reacted? If you knock at a door and nobody answers or reacts inside, it might indicate that nobody is in there, or it might just mean they do not want to answer. But if you take to hurling eggs and shit at the door and there is still no reaction from inside, would you not start to lean to the theory that nobody is home? [/QUOTE] You’re not “hurling eggs and shit” at God’s door with your inane little parlor game. You’re standing outside and ranting like a lunatic, pounding you’re head on the sidewalk, and getting funny looks from passers-by. If I were living inside, I wouldn’t want to come out either. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2007, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theists-i-am-still-alive-valteron/429176/58 "2007-12-07T19:06:22Z")
[QUOTE=CJJ\*] You’re not “hurling eggs and shit” at God’s door with your inane little parlor game. You’re standing outside and ranting like a lunatic, pounding you’re head on the sidewalk, and getting funny looks from passers-by. If I were living inside, I wouldn’t want to come out either. [/QUOTE] So god is intimidated by him? Or perhaps, god doesn’t act for the same reason he doesn’t cure cancer in children. He is a powerless fantasy held by humans too fragile to face a universe without meaning or a continuity of existence past death. Just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2007, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theists-i-am-still-alive-valteron/429176/59 "2007-12-07T19:12:39Z")
[QUOTE=JohnnyEnigma] “I created you as the unique and special individual you are, Valteron, and I still love you.” - God 😃 [/QUOTE] I find it amazing that this same God who allegedly loves me as a unique and special individual and is so squeamish about causing my death is the same god who killed all those first-born sons in Egypt (including little kids who could not be responsible for anything). Or take this event, from 2 Kings: \*2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them. \* This God who has no problem sending bears to maul little kids for laughing at a bald guy would not kill me, an atheistic, cynical old faggot who uses the internet to mock the Almighty to His face? He seems awfully tender and sqeamish all of a sudden. I mean, I am just asking for it, am I not? And BTW, God, I am going up to the country tonight where there ARE bears. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2007, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theists-i-am-still-alive-valteron/429176/60 "2007-12-07T19:15:10Z")
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