# Theocracy NOW! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 17, 2008, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theocracy-now/468367 "2008-10-17T13:23:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theocracy-now/468367/1 "2008-10-17T13:23:15Z")
This just in - it’s time to lay in canned goods and head for the hills. [The Messiah](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha5HEc-vOJs) has come - and he’s wearing an expensive suit, and he wants your paycheck. Seems to be a multi-cultural [cult](http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/10/13/smith-college-editor-obama-my-jesus), so not just Black nutcases are joining. No more of the this communion wine nonsense - Flavor-aid for all! Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theocracy-now/468367/2 "2008-10-17T13:40:18Z")
I’m sure you’ll be happy to know that I do not consider Barack Obama to be the Messiah. I’m probably going to vote for him, though. Hope you don’t mind that. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theocracy-now/468367/3 "2008-10-17T13:45:47Z")
Last night Obama clarified that he was not born in a manger. Also, the name Barack is Swahili for “that one” not the anointed one. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theocracy-now/468367/4 "2008-10-17T13:45:54Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > This just in - it’s time to lay in canned goods and head for the hills. > > [The Messiah](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha5HEc-vOJs) has come - and he’s wearing an expensive suit, and he wants your paycheck. He is not the messiah, he’s just a naughty boy! ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theocracy-now/468367/5 "2008-10-17T13:49:52Z")
Twenty two minutes to the appropriate quote! Congratulations to **Mighty Girl**! > [@Morgenstern](#): > > Last night Obama clarified that he was not born in a manger [Only the true Messiah denies His identity.](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079470/quotes) Therefore… Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theocracy-now/468367/6 "2008-10-17T13:50:39Z")
Huh? I admit it’s hardly worth trying to parse anything Farrakhan has to say for common sense or logic, but it seems very clear from the text that [he’s calling Obama “the herald of the Messiah”](http://www.alphapatriot.com/home/archives/2008/10/10/farrakhan_obama_and_the_messiah.php), **not** the Messiah _per se_: > [@](#): > > [Obama] is not the Messiah for sure, but anytime, he gives you a sign of uniting races, ethnic groups, ideologies, religions and makes people feel a sense of oneness, that’s not necessarily Satan’s work, that is I believe the work of God. […] > > Brothers and sisters, Barack Obama to me, is a herald of the Messiah. Barack Obama is like the trumpet that alerts you something new, something better is on the way. (Whatever “the herald of the Messiah” is supposed to be. I have no idea what the theology of the Nation of Islam is on this point. Real Islam, AFAIK, doesn’t have the idea of a coming messiah or savior in its mainstream theology.) Anyway, this soteriological glurge doesn’t sound significantly different from Christian right-wingers hailing Sarah Palin as [“a modern-day Esther” and “the chosen vessel of God”](http://www.agreeinprayer.com/): > [@](#): > > “…she is GOD-CALLED and GOD-ANOINTED.” […] the GOD of the Universe had just used me to deliver a message confirming to Sarah and Todd to realize they are truly chosen vessels of God. […] the GOD of Heaven and Earth…wanted to give them a Divine-God-Appointment! > [@Shodan](#): > > This just in Whaddya mean, “just in”? This speech by Farrakhan was delivered in February, and these references to it have been going the rounds of the intertubes for over a week. Is this supposed to be the McCain campaign’s “October surprise” or something? ---
**Author:** ![E72521](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dbc845/32.png) [@E72521](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E72521)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theocracy-now/468367/7 "2008-10-17T13:55:06Z")
[God has already picked sides,](http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/02/by_juliet_eilperin_when_alaska.html) so don’t worry. God has special place for those Muslim terrorist Kansan-Kenyan Marxists. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theocracy-now/468367/8 "2008-10-17T13:55:08Z")
Help me out here. Is this a panties in a twist because your party is fucked and is fucking us and you are secretly ashamed but too prideful to admit how horribly wrong you are and how pathetic you feel for how you have been duped thing? ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theocracy-now/468367/9 "2008-10-17T13:56:58Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Last night Obama clarified that he was not born in a manger. Also, the name Barack is Swahili for “that one” not the anointed one. > [@](#): > > “I was not born in a manger. I was actually born on Krypton. I was sent here by my father Jor-El to save the planet Earth… Many of you know that I got my name from my father. “Barack” is Swahili for “That one.” I got my middle name from somebody who obviously didn’t realize I would run for president.” > > “My greatest strength would be my humility. My greatest weakness is that it’s possible I am too awesome.” [McCain, Obama At Al Smith Dinner: Candidates Spar With Jokes | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/16/the-last-laugh-mccain-oba_n_135454.html) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theocracy-now/468367/10 "2008-10-17T14:01:16Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > This just in - it’s time to lay in canned goods and head for the hills. All you’ll really doing is guaranteeing you’ll never be taken seriously on this issue. Obama supporters will roll their eyes at you and fellow McCain supporters will give you a hearty cheer but no real respect. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theocracy-now/468367/11 "2008-10-17T14:01:45Z")
> [@Binarydrone](#): > > Help me out here. Is this a panties in a twist because your party is fucked and is fucking us and you are secretly ashamed but too prideful to admit how horribly wrong you are and how pathetic you feel for how you have been duped thing? No. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theocracy-now/468367/12 "2008-10-17T14:02:58Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > 😃 Hee, some of those are pretty cute: > [@](#): > > - “There was a point in my life when I started palling around with a pretty ugly crowd… that’s right… I’ve been a member of the United States Senate.” > > - “Fox News accused me of fathering two African-American children in wedlock.” McCain got in some funny lines too, I must say: > [@](#): > > He also made light of the controversy surrounding his “that one” comment at the second debate when he said that it was simply his pet name for Obama. > > “He doesn’t mind at all. In fact, he has given me the pet name, ‘George Bush.’” ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theocracy-now/468367/13 "2008-10-17T14:06:24Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > All you’ll really doing is guaranteeing you’ll never be taken seriously on this issue. You think this is an issue that needs to be taken seriously? Why has it been ignored, then? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theocracy-now/468367/14 "2008-10-17T14:11:10Z")
So it’s a joke pit then. I guess we can lock the thread? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theocracy-now/468367/15 "2008-10-17T14:13:36Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > You think this is an issue that needs to be taken seriously? Don’t be silly! This is just another right-wing smear attempt to whip up hysteria along the lines of “OMG OBAMA HAS A CULT FOLLOWING OF SCARY BLACK MUSLIMS WHO BELIEVE HE’S THE MESSIAH!!” I thought your OP was acknowledging the silliness of this, with your exaggerated alarmist references to “laying in canned goods and heading for the hills”. Are you now trying to tell us that you really think this is something to be seriously concerned about? ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theocracy-now/468367/16 "2008-10-17T14:13:59Z")
> [@E72521](#): > > God has special place for those Muslim terrorist Kansan-Kenyan Marxists. You scoff at Kansas Terrorists, but that’s the October surprise. Obama used to pal around with William Quantrill, they got pictures. ---
**Author:** ![CircleofWillis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/54ee81/32.png) [@CircleofWillis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CircleofWillis)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theocracy-now/468367/17 "2008-10-17T14:15:57Z")
> [@Binarydrone](#): > > Help me out here. Is this a panties in a twist because your party is fucked and is fucking us and you are secretly ashamed but too prideful to admit how horribly wrong you are and how pathetic you feel for how you have been duped thing? No offense here, but from whose ass did you pull this? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theocracy-now/468367/18 "2008-10-17T14:17:02Z")
I’m liking this idea. Maybe we can take all the lies spread by the right about Obama, mix it with a misinterpretation of the statements of a repudiated, irrelevant jagoff, and create a new religion. Of course, it would have to be based on Obama’s Muslim faith (or is he the Anti-Christ, I forget), but the sacraments could be doing cocaine and getting a blowjob in a limo, forging birth certificates, talking bad about “whitey”, instituting Sharia law like his “cousin” Odinga in Kenya, stomping on pre-viable fetuses, and bombing the Pentagon. I really think you’re onto something here Shodan. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theocracy-now/468367/19 "2008-10-17T14:17:20Z")
The irony of this is that no one on the left actually thinks that Obama is the Messiah (we’re godless, after all), but the the belief that Obama is literally the Antichrist is ubiquitous on the right, as is the belief that Sarah Palin is some kind of Divine emissary, sent by God to battle the “Obamanation.” This is something that the McCain campaign has consciously played to. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theocracy-now/468367/20 "2008-10-17T14:20:43Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > You think this is an issue that needs to be taken seriously? Why has it been ignored, then? You’re missing the point. This issue does not need to be taken seriously, and neither do you. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theocracy-now/468367.md?page=2)