# Theory: The X-Men might be coming to the MCU **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 15, 2015, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-the-x-men-might-be-coming-to-the-mcu/734689 "2015-10-15T02:49:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-the-x-men-might-be-coming-to-the-mcu/734689/1 "2015-10-15T02:49:03Z")
There has been chatter about how the Inhumans movie that was announced is essentially canceled. Some of this has been attributed to the split between Marvel TV and Marvel Studios and the fact that Kevin Feige (head of the MCU) did not like the person who is in charge of Marvel TV (his former boss before Marvel Studios was made independent). But here’s my theory: It’s an open secret that the MCU has been using Inhumans as a stand in for Mutants because they can’t use Mutants as Fox owns that IP. I think that either 1. Negotiations are underway with Fox to bring the X-Men home the way Spider-Man was so Marvel studios wants to wait to see if they can get Oreos instead of Hydrox. or 1. They have not yet negotiated but still want to keep things open because if the Spider-Man deal goes well for Sony they know Fox will at least talk. To be honest, the stated reason is not mutually exclusive and could indeed be part of the reason but I think I might be right and we will be hearing sometime in the next 6 months to a year that there will be an MCU X-Men movie. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-the-x-men-might-be-coming-to-the-mcu/734689/2 "2015-10-15T03:05:23Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > if the Spider-Man deal goes well for Sony they know Fox will at least talk. I’m not saying your overall theory is right or wrong, but I question this part of your reasoning. Sony were failing with Spider-man. Fox is doing very well with X-Men and next year’s _Apocalypse_ is highly anticipated by fans. Even _Deadpool_ is starting to encourage cautious optimism. I don’t think Fox is in any hurry to share anything they don’t have to share. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-the-x-men-might-be-coming-to-the-mcu/734689/3 "2015-10-15T03:26:08Z")
Also, Hydrox are the original chocolate-creme sandwich cookie and in blind taste tests I’ve found them to be the superior product to Oreos. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-the-x-men-might-be-coming-to-the-mcu/734689/4 "2015-10-15T03:44:50Z")
Wait, what’s this split between the cinematic universe and Marvel TV? I thought that Agents of Shield and Agent Carter were pretty well-integrated with the MCU. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-the-x-men-might-be-coming-to-the-mcu/734689/5 "2015-10-15T04:14:32Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Also, Hydrox are the original chocolate-creme sandwich cookie and in blind taste tests I’ve found them to be the superior product to Oreos. You know what’s funny. I knew someone would point this out with one or two posts 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-the-x-men-might-be-coming-to-the-mcu/734689/6 "2015-10-15T04:24:31Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Wait, what’s this split between the cinematic universe and Marvel TV? I thought that Agents of Shield and Agent Carter were pretty well-integrated with the MCU. There’s some info in this [article](http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2015/10/09/rumor-the-inhumans-movie-is-canceled) but basically earlier this year Marvel Studios (that makes the movies) became independent and the department that it used to be under still runs the TV shows. They are all still in the same universe but the people that make them don’t work as close together as they used to. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-the-x-men-might-be-coming-to-the-mcu/734689/7 "2015-10-15T04:46:18Z")
I’m okay with keeping them separate, in part because I never really understood how in the comics, people were afraid of mutants but surprisingly accepting of super powered characters like The Avengers. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-the-x-men-might-be-coming-to-the-mcu/734689/8 "2015-10-15T05:32:35Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Wait, what’s this split between the cinematic universe and Marvel TV? I thought that Agents of Shield and Agent Carter were pretty well-integrated with the MCU. There was a discussion about this in one of the Agents of SHIELD threads (I think the first episode of the new season). Some will say that the two work well together; I’m in the camp that says the TV shows clearly reference the movies (to keep people watching) whereas it’s obvious the movies are ignoring the TV shows. There’s not a single reference in the movies to anything that’s happened in the TV shows, and Whedon has been quite clear that he doesn’t like some of the moves that Agents of SHIELD pulled (such as resurrecting Coulson). > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m okay with keeping them separate, in part because I never really understood how in the comics, people were afraid of mutants but surprisingly accepting of super powered characters like The Avengers. You might find [this discussion](http://unstablemolecules.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=5854) on an X-Men comic discussion board enlightening. I originally thought the same, and I still say that “super powers” alone can’t be a reason. But there is another good reason, which is that many mutants publicly hold themselves out as being a separate species that is superior to and will replace humanity (which the Inhumans have also been doing). They turn themselves into a separate group, an identifiable people; whereas the Avengers are just a collection of people with nothing in common except having superpowers/special abilities. That aside, I still think the X-Men work better on their own too. And the MCU is starting to get pretty crowded… ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-the-x-men-might-be-coming-to-the-mcu/734689/9 "2015-10-15T18:28:33Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m okay with keeping them separate, in part because I never really understood how in the comics, people were afraid of mutants but surprisingly accepting of super powered characters like The Avengers. The only answer that ever made any sense to me was in the instantly retconned Grant Morrison run. Per Morrison, humanity will be in the minority (or completely replaced by mutants) in two generations. I can see “extinction of homo sapiens in about 40 years” as a reason for people to be afraid of mutants. Unfortunately, Marvel undid that pretty damned quickly. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-the-x-men-might-be-coming-to-the-mcu/734689/10 "2015-10-15T18:34:17Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > I’m not saying your overall theory is right or wrong, but I question this part of your reasoning. > > Sony were failing with Spider-man. > > Fox is doing very well with X-Men and next year’s _Apocalypse_ is highly anticipated by fans. Even _Deadpool_ is starting to encourage cautious optimism. > > I don’t think Fox is in any hurry to share anything they don’t have to share. They also have a pretty big movie universe, all in one semi-consistent timeline. As opposed to Spiderman, which has 5 movies in two separate series. The only way to integrate the X-men into the MCU would be a complete reboot. I don’t see that happening. ---
**Author:** ![stegon66](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee59a6/32.png) [@stegon66](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stegon66)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-the-x-men-might-be-coming-to-the-mcu/734689/11 "2015-10-15T18:56:40Z")
Rumor now has it that Marvel and Fox have worked a deal to get Fantastic Four into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I can also see Marvel not wanting to do an Inhumans movie. I think they’ll work better on the small screen anyway. Maybe a limited series as was done with Agent Carter? And in Age of Ultron, Nick Fury made the comment that the “new” helicarrier had been delivered by some old friends." ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-the-x-men-might-be-coming-to-the-mcu/734689/12 "2015-10-15T19:12:32Z")
> [@stegon66](#): > > Rumor now has it that Marvel and Fox have worked a deal to get Fantastic Four into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I can also see Marvel not wanting to do an Inhumans movie. I think they’ll work better on the small screen anyway. Maybe a limited series as was done with Agent Carter? Debunked within hours of hitting the websites. > **[Fox And Marvel Refute Today's FANTASTIC FOUR Rumor](https://comicbookmovie.com/fantastic-four/fox-and-marvel-refute-todays-fantastic-four-rumor-a125949)** > > We all got very excited after this morning's rumor, but our update to that story is sure to disappoint fans that thought there was a chance we'd see Marvel's First Family come home. It seems both studios involved have flat out denied that any rights... ---
**Author:** ![northporlarbear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7bcc69/32.png) [@northporlarbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/northporlarbear)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-the-x-men-might-be-coming-to-the-mcu/734689/13 "2015-10-15T19:17:41Z")
I think Hollywood (out of ideas apparently) should remake old movies. Like Gone with the Wind, Sound of Music, Alien 1, etc. The films they make these days seem to be “different for the sake of being different”, not “better” or on the par level of past films. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-the-x-men-might-be-coming-to-the-mcu/734689/14 "2015-10-15T19:19:20Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m okay with keeping them separate, in part because I never really understood how in the comics, people were afraid of mutants but surprisingly accepting of super powered characters like The Avengers. Speaking for the movie versions, at least; - Captain America is a war hero and national treasure dating from long before the M-word was on the public’s lips. - Thor is a god. - Tony Stark is an internationally-renowned celebrity and philanthropist and doesn’t actually have any “powers”, just nifty gadgets. - War Machine and Falcon also just have gadgets. - Hawkeye and Black Widow are government employees and also don’t have powers. - The Hulk actually _is_ feared and distrusted by the public. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-the-x-men-might-be-coming-to-the-mcu/734689/15 "2015-10-15T19:21:30Z")
> [@northporlarbear](#): > > I think Hollywood (out of ideas apparently) should remake old movies. Like Gone with the Wind, Sound of Music, Alien 1, etc. The films they make these days seem to be “different for the sake of being different”, not “better” or on the par level of past films. In terms of bad ideas, that ranks right up with, “Save time by bringing your toaster into the bathtub with you, so you can make breakfast while you bathe!” ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-the-x-men-might-be-coming-to-the-mcu/734689/16 "2015-10-15T19:40:38Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > In terms of bad ideas, that ranks right up with, “Save time by bringing your toaster into the bathtub with you, so you can make breakfast while you bathe!” The specific name for that game is “Shaking Hands With Jesus”. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-the-x-men-might-be-coming-to-the-mcu/734689/17 "2015-10-15T20:30:18Z")
I think the Inhumans movie is going to get canceled, but not because of any shenanigans with the X-Men or Fantastic Four. It’s basically the only movie in the Marvel schedule that isn’t load-bearing for the ongoing plotlines, so it’s the only slot they can repurpose to fill their inexplicable and indefensible lack: Marvel needs a female-led superheroine movie. Since the rumor is that Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan) is going the tv route, I think Inhumans is inevitably going to get replaced by a Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) or Black Widow movie. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-the-x-men-might-be-coming-to-the-mcu/734689/18 "2015-10-15T20:43:34Z")
There already is an announced Captain Marvel movie. Originally scheduled for 2018 it was recently pushed to 2019. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-the-x-men-might-be-coming-to-the-mcu/734689/19 "2015-10-15T20:51:29Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > I think the Inhumans movie is going to get canceled, but not because of any shenanigans with the X-Men or Fantastic Four. It’s basically the only movie in the Marvel schedule that isn’t load-bearing for the ongoing plotlines, so it’s the only slot they can repurpose to fill their inexplicable and indefensible lack: > > Marvel needs a female-led superheroine movie. > > Since the rumor is that Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan) is going the tv route, I think Inhumans is inevitably going to get replaced by a Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) or Black Widow movie. Except that the Captain Marvel movie is already slated to come out four months before the Inhumans movie. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-the-x-men-might-be-coming-to-the-mcu/734689/20 "2015-10-15T20:53:29Z")
Yeah, someone just pointed that out to me elsewhere. Still think we’ll get Black Widow instead of Inhumans. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-the-x-men-might-be-coming-to-the-mcu/734689.md?page=2)