# There are Nazis in Sweden? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 4, 2019, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-nazis-in-sweden/836491 "2019-07-04T01:39:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-nazis-in-sweden/836491/21 "2019-07-04T19:08:08Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Nitpick to a generally true statement: unless, sometimes, the hater is a Jew. I wish we didn’t have any, but we do have some. > . Unfortunately, that goes without saying. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-nazis-in-sweden/836491/22 "2019-07-04T21:03:25Z")
> [@mikecurtis](#): > > By my quick count, it’s around 40 countries that are not Abrahamic majority. And bear in mind that even the countries that are not Abrahamic-majority mostly have a sizeable Abrahamic-faith minority. India, for example, the second most populous nation in the world, has a population that’s over 16% Muslim and Christian. In fact, [by 2050 India is expected to have more Muslims than any other country in the world, including all the Muslim-majority countries](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/04/21/by-2050-india-to-have-worlds-largest-populations-of-hindus-and-muslims/). So even non-Abrahamic-majority countries can still be very significant in terms of the Abrahamic-faith population overall. As for the OP’s question, absolutely there are hella neo-Nazis and other antisemitic/white-supremacist groups not just in Sweden but in all the Nordic countries. Haven’t you heard of the popular _Girl with the Dragon Tattoo_ thriller series by a Swedish novelist? Modern Scandinavian neo-Nazism is one of the major themes in it. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-nazis-in-sweden/836491/23 "2019-07-04T21:11:41Z")
in fact theres a whole subset that uses the viking/nordic religion/traditions as a basis for the modren nazi doctrine… ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-nazis-in-sweden/836491/24 "2019-07-04T21:54:12Z")
As someone born and raised in Sweden… … What an utterly bizarre post. 😕 Why _wouldn’t_ there be Nazis in Sweden? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-nazis-in-sweden/836491/25 "2019-07-04T22:02:50Z")
> [@Steken](#): > > Why _wouldn’t_ there be Nazis in Sweden? Because you’re all gay-married socialists sitting around on flat-pack modern furniture drinking egg coffee with unwed mothers, duh. ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-nazis-in-sweden/836491/26 "2019-07-05T08:26:27Z")
Oh. _That._ ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-nazis-in-sweden/836491/27 "2019-07-05T09:35:01Z")
If you’re surprised about Nazis in Sweden, let me tell you about Illinois… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-nazis-in-sweden/836491/28 "2019-07-05T12:48:39Z")
> [@Steken](#): > > As someone born and raised in Sweden… > > … What an utterly bizarre post. 😕 > > Why _wouldn’t_ there be Nazis in Sweden? It seems such a nice, healthy, well adjusted country. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-nazis-in-sweden/836491/29 "2019-07-05T13:32:07Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Because you’re all gay-married socialists sitting around on flat-pack modern furniture drinking egg coffee with unwed mothers, duh. :moves to Sweden: ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-nazis-in-sweden/836491/30 "2019-07-05T14:23:10Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Haven’t you heard of the popular _Girl with the Dragon Tattoo_ thriller series by a Swedish novelist? Modern Scandinavian neo-Nazism is one of the major themes in it. To judge by the Scandiwegian TV cop shows that have been so popular over here in recent years, it’s a common trope there, at least since the Sjowall/Wahloo Martin Beck stories of the 50s. ---
**Author:** ![survinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@survinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/survinga)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2019, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-nazis-in-sweden/836491/31 "2019-07-07T14:26:58Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Why in the hell do Swedes have a [problem with Jews](https://www.jta.org/quick-reads/swedish-neo-nazis-disrupt-exhibition-of-holocaust-survivors-portraits)? More and more in recent years, Jews are under attack in Europe. This is not just a far-right phenomenon, too. There is antisemitism on the left as well, and within some Islamist circles. The oldest hate is picking back up in Europe. And sadly, it’s shown itself more in the US, too. ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2019, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-nazis-in-sweden/836491/32 "2019-07-07T14:41:47Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > It seems such a nice, healthy, well adjusted country. It _is_ a nice, healthy, well adjusted country. A small amount of Nazi shitheads doesn’t change that. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-nazis-in-sweden/836491/33 "2019-07-07T16:46:34Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > As I like to tell my Trump-admiring countrymen: as a rule of thumb, anyone who hates anyone, also hates Jews. People who hate Mexicans - also hate Jews. People who hate gays - also hate Jews. People who hate Muslims - also hate Jews. At the moment, they may hate us a little less than they hate them, but they still hate us. I don’t know if I agree with that. Among the bigoted conservatives I’ve seen there is a massive pro-Israel and anti-Muslim sentiment. I don’t know if they hate all groups equally. I would assume at least among US conservatives that liberals, democrats, Muslims (esp foreign born ones) and blacks are near the top of the hate list. latinos and gays are further down. I think Jews are even further down. I know there is anti-semitism, but I don’t think its nearly as pronounced as the anti-muslim or anti-black hatred. And again, having to pick between Israel or muslim nations virtually every conservative I know picks Israel. I’ve seen a lot of bigotry IRL among conservatives I’ve known in various facets of life, don’t know if I’ve seen any real anti-semitism. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-nazis-in-sweden/836491/34 "2019-07-08T09:54:02Z")
As Tom Lehrer sang in 1965: _Oh the Protestants hate the Catholics And the Catholics hate the Protestants And the Hindus hate the Muslims And everybody hates the Jews_ And BTW, conservatives love _Israel_. That’s not the same thing as loving _Jews_. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-nazis-in-sweden/836491/35 "2019-07-08T11:24:12Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > And BTW, conservatives love _Israel_. That’s not the same thing as loving _Jews_. This. Don’t forget that it was the “Unite the Right” rally where they were chanting “Blood and soil” and “Jews will not replace us”. Republican Steve King is the one who gives interviews to white supremacist websites founded by SS members and vocally supports Faith Goldy. That being said, antisemitism (and bigotry, writ large) does cross political lines. Unfortunately, no single ideology has a monopoly on hate. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-nazis-in-sweden/836491/36 "2019-07-08T11:57:46Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > And BTW, conservatives love _Israel_. That’s not the same thing as loving _Jews_. Indeed. A lot of these people believe in Revelations; so they think the existence of Israel is necessary in order for their idea of the proper end of the world to take place as planned. Once Revelations gets well started all the Jews who haven’t converted to their particular idea of Christianity will, they believe, all go to hell. Bear in mind that we have people in the government of the USA, as well as elsewhere, who think that war in the Middle East will fulfill prophecies. ETA: to clarify: I’m not claiming that all conservatives, or even all conservative Christians, believe any of this. But some of them do. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-nazis-in-sweden/836491/37 "2019-07-08T13:42:01Z")
> [@Steken](#): > > It _is_ a nice, healthy, well adjusted country. > > A small amount of Nazi shitheads doesn’t change that. Doubtful. People who invented and continue making surströmming in spite of all international treaties regarding chemical weapons cannot be called “well adjusted”. ---
**Author:** ![survinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@survinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/survinga)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-nazis-in-sweden/836491/38 "2019-07-08T13:54:00Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > I don’t know if I agree with that. Among the bigoted conservatives I’ve seen there is a massive pro-Israel and anti-Muslim sentiment. > > I don’t know if they hate all groups equally. I would assume at least among US conservatives that liberals, democrats, Muslims (esp foreign born ones) and blacks are near the top of the hate list. latinos and gays are further down. I think Jews are even further down. I know there is anti-semitism, but I don’t think its nearly as pronounced as the anti-muslim or anti-black hatred. > > And again, having to pick between Israel or muslim nations virtually every conservative I know picks Israel. I’ve seen a lot of bigotry IRL among conservatives I’ve known in various facets of life, don’t know if I’ve seen any real anti-semitism. Historically, the US doesn’t have as much antisemitism as Europe. However, it has increased in recent years. And among the right-wing extremists in this country (KKK, neo-Nazis, “blood and soil” chanters in Charlottesville), antisemitism is always present. And in the last few years, we’ve seen an uptick in murderous attacks on Jews. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-nazis-in-sweden/836491.md?page=1)