# There are no Gays here. Move Along. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 23, 2003, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-no-gays-here-move-along/220733 "2003-12-23T22:25:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-no-gays-here-move-along/220733/1 "2003-12-23T22:25:01Z")
[from the Advocate](http://www.advocate.com/new_news.asp?ID=10835&sd=12/23/03) > [@](#): > > Images of gay rights demonstrations at the National Mall will be removed from a video display that has been running at the Lincoln Memorial since 1995, according to a civil service group. Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility said the National Park Service, under pressure from far-right religious groups, has agreed to alter the eight-minute video containing photos and footage of demonstrations and other events taking place at the Lincoln Memorial. > > [snip] > > The Park Service said it would develop a “more balanced” version that include rallies of the Christian group Promise Keepers and pro-Gulf War demonstrators, though those events did not take place at the Lincoln Memorial or the National Mall. These changes are ordered by National Parks Service Deputy Director Donald Murphy, who earlier in the year overruled the Grand Canyon National Park supervisor and ordered the return to public view of three bronze plaques bearing biblical verses. Under his leadership the Park Service is fighting the removal of an oversized cross in the Mojave National Preserve in California. Does this administration have no sense of SOCAS? How can they justify altering the record to fit their white-washed dream-world where gays, anti-war protestors and abortion-rights marchers don’t exist. How can they claim to be “uniters not dividers” when they use our National Parks to further their religion? Is there no end? ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-no-gays-here-move-along/220733/2 "2003-12-23T22:30:40Z")
> [@](#): > > Is there no end? Yep. Jan 20th, 2005. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-no-gays-here-move-along/220733/3 "2003-12-23T22:46:14Z")
Unless the End Time and the Rapture get here first. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-no-gays-here-move-along/220733/4 "2003-12-23T22:49:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Reeder \* > \*\*Yep. > Jan 20th, 2005. \*\* That would be Jan 20th, **2009**. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-no-gays-here-move-along/220733/5 "2003-12-23T22:57:22Z")
[Obi Wan] These are not the gays you’re looking for. [/Obi Wan] ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-no-gays-here-move-along/220733/6 "2003-12-23T22:59:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > \*\*That would be Jan 20th, **2009**. \*\* In your dreams, milroyj. Robin ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-no-gays-here-move-along/220733/7 "2003-12-23T23:12:23Z")
Wanna bet? ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-no-gays-here-move-along/220733/8 "2003-12-23T23:14:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > \*\*Wanna bet? \*\* No. I may be an optimist, and I’m pretty confident Bush’ll be shown the door in 2004, but I’m not stupid. Robin ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-no-gays-here-move-along/220733/9 "2003-12-23T23:16:07Z")
Oh, **milroyj** and **Reeder** are here. I’ll just get off the tracks and let the trainwreck commence, then. Seriously, now. All these things seem so exclusionist. Why can’t people agree to respect _each others_ symbols and memorials, rather than trying to have them removed, even if it possibly means your own symbols will be removed as well? If a national park is a good place for a 20 foot cross, it’s also a good place for a 20 foot gay monument. And seeing as parks are pretty big, they wouldn’t even have to be next to each other. What’s the big deal? It seriously escapes me. [sub]Please, no speculation on what that 20 foot gay monument would look like.[/sub] :eek: ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-no-gays-here-move-along/220733/10 "2003-12-23T23:18:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MsRobyn \* > \*\* Bush’ll be shown the door in 2004 > \*\* Oooohhh! With a little tinkering, this’d make a good campaign slogan! ::wanders off to e-mail the Dean campaign:: Robin ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-no-gays-here-move-along/220733/11 "2003-12-23T23:22:22Z")
Because, **Coldie** , EVERYONE knows that gays are evil and anti-American and omigawd they want to corrupt our children and destroy our country!!!\* \*[sub]Obvious sarcasm[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Astroboy14](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@Astroboy14](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astroboy14)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-no-gays-here-move-along/220733/12 "2003-12-23T23:46:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Homebrew \* > \*\*[Does this administration have no sense of SOCAS? \*\* Dumb (probably) question: What’s SOCAS? ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-no-gays-here-move-along/220733/13 "2003-12-23T23:49:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > **Oh, milroyj and Reeder are here. I’ll just get off the tracks and let the trainwreck commence, then.** Aw, **Coldfire** is just rankled that he can’t vote in our elections. Oh well. 🙂 > [@](#): > > \*\*Seriously, now. All these things seem so exclusionist. Why can’t people agree to respect _each others_ symbols and memorials, rather than trying to have them removed, even if it possibly means your own symbols will be removed as well? > > If a national park is a good place for a 20 foot cross, it’s also a good place for a 20 foot gay monument. And seeing as parks are pretty big, they wouldn’t even have to be next to each other. \*\* I agree with the rest of your post 100%. Let people have whatever symbols they want, shared equally in/on public spaces. Unfortunately, that’s not what we get here in the U.S. Even though the SCOTUS has ruled that Christmas trees are secular symbols, the Indiana University Law School removed an undecorated tree from their atrium because some people complained. Stupid, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-no-gays-here-move-along/220733/14 "2003-12-23T23:50:20Z")
SOCAS = separation of church and state. **Coldfire** , forget it. You’re trying to apply logic and common sense to a dispute that’s based on emotion, irrational fear, and passionate convictions. A sensible solution? Ain’t gonna happen. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-no-gays-here-move-along/220733/15 "2003-12-24T00:00:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Reeder \* > \*\*Yep. > Jan 20th, 2005. \*\* Oh! The ELECTIONS! :smack: I thought you guys had messed up the Mayan calendar. Carry on. Nothing to see here. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-no-gays-here-move-along/220733/16 "2003-12-24T00:03:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > **Because, Coldie, EVERYONE knows that gays are evil and anti-American and omigawd they want to corrupt our children and destroy our country!!!** Yes, and anybody who would want to put up a cross is evil, anti-humanity, and omigawd they want to corrupt our rights and destroy our country. ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-no-gays-here-move-along/220733/17 "2003-12-24T00:41:36Z")
There’s a difference between wanting to put up a cross, and wanting to prevent _others_ from putting up a different monument as well, just because you don’t like it. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-no-gays-here-move-along/220733/18 "2003-12-24T00:45:40Z")
No, anyone who wants to put up a cross on state property while _excluding_ the speech of others is an anti-American dickweed. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-no-gays-here-move-along/220733/19 "2003-12-24T00:56:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hamlet \* > \*\*Yes, and anybody who would want to put up a cross is evil, anti-humanity, and omigawd they want to corrupt our rights and destroy our country. \*\* What the FUCK does that have to do with this, dickweed? ---
**Author:** ![Krisfer\_the\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Krisfer\_the\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krisfer_the_Cat)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-no-gays-here-move-along/220733/20 "2003-12-24T01:18:35Z")
Sounds like just the place FOR a gay rights demonstration! Remind me when I take my son there at some unnamed point in the future to LOUDLY tell him about the gay rights demonstrations. _prays(sorta) for 2004 to be the end_ [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-are-no-gays-here-move-along/220733.md?page=2)