# There exists no song worse than "Sweet Soul Sister" by Train **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 28, 2010, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090 "2010-03-28T06:09:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanub/32/132_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUB)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090/41 "2010-03-29T14:49:54Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > He’s so crazy about her he’s been neglecting his manscaping. Ha!😛 I can’t believe how I’ve missed all the nuances of this masterpiece. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090/42 "2010-03-29T15:06:43Z")
> [@campp](#): > > Why on earth does she wear that _hat_? To distract from her vulva? (She once exposed herself on live British TV.) ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090/43 "2010-03-29T15:46:19Z")
I don’t know if it’s fair to single Train out. Seems like there are a lot of laid back jammy “adult alternative singer/songwriter” Maroon 5 / Dave Matthews / John Mayer /Jack Johnson / Jason Mranz clones out there these days. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090/44 "2010-03-29T16:07:00Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > Nothing to add; just enjoying the thread. I don’t know what to do with Train - every snarky/dismissive jab in this thread is true, but damn Pat Monahan can sing; just great vocal chops. I find myself hearing his voice and getting drawn in and before I know it, I am yelling along to Calling All Angels… > > …don’t tell anyone. 😉 First it was Sinead and now this. Who are you really and what have you done with **Wordman**? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090/45 "2010-03-29T17:00:30Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > First it was Sinead and now this. > > Who are you really and what have you done with **Wordman**? :dubious: I know; really. Actually, I stand by my Sinead comments - her first CD, the Lion and Cobra, produced by her and made well before her damaged/high drama nature reached full flower, is really good. Train sucks, but I appreciate his voice. It’s like listening to Bucky Pizzarelli, the guitarist who played on much of the Muzak recordings we heard in stores and elevators as a kid. The guy flat-out smokes (as does his son John these days) so I would listen to his guitar playing and kinda phase out the crap music part… ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090/46 "2010-03-29T17:03:33Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > I don’t know if it’s fair to single Train out. Seems like there are a lot of laid back jammy “adult alternative singer/songwriter” Maroon 5 / Dave Matthews / John Mayer /Jack Johnson / Jason Mranz clones out there these days. You’re right, and I dislike most of the ones you listed, too. As well as Michael Buble, though I do acknowledge that he has a different style, but it’s still the sme fake sentimental, glurgy, crap. Dave Matthews gets a _bit_ of a pass because him and his band are actually musically talented, and CAN write good songs (their earlier stuff I don’t mind and sometimes enjoy.) But ever since they fond out their biggest fans are 14-40 year old women, that’s who they started pandering to, and it shows. And John Mayer…his music suck ass, but he actually seems like a really cool person. He _knows_ that he has a schtick, and that he sold out, but has a good sense of humor about it and himself. I think it was on a short-lived MTV show that featured him where he got some teenage girls to listen to a “private session” where he played for them his brand new SINGLE to be released soon! He intentionally had it full of terrible, TERRIBLE lyrics (moreso than usual,) but of course the girls ate it up regardless because it’s clear they barely pay attention to the lyrics, they just like to look at him and hear a guitar. ---
**Author:** ![MTCicero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@MTCicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTCicero)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090/47 "2010-03-29T17:22:02Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > I know; really. Actually, I stand by my Sinead comments - her first CD, the Lion and Cobra, produced by her and made well before her damaged/high drama nature reached full flower, is really good. Wait wait wait! Are you, in fact, implying that _I Do Not Want What I Haven’t Got_ is somehow less than stellar? Because that would be crazy talk. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090/48 "2010-03-29T18:15:49Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > There exists no song worse than “Sweet Soul Sister” by Train The opening is like the answer to the question “What if Fat Albert wrote a hit song?” “Hey…Hey…Hey…” ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090/49 "2010-03-29T18:18:33Z")
> [@MTCicero](#): > > Wait wait wait! Are you, in fact, implying that _I Do Not Want What I Haven’t Got_ is somehow less than stellar? Because that would be crazy talk. Not sure - I appreciate Nothing Compares 2 U, but didn’t listen to the full CD much past that…by then, I got a sense that she brought the drama and didn’t pursue… ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090/50 "2010-03-29T21:02:18Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > You’re right, and I dislike most of the ones you listed, too. As well as Michael Buble, though I do acknowledge that he has a different style, but it’s still the sme fake sentimental, glurgy, crap. I don’t really hate any of that music. It just seems they don’t make any pop music that actually rocks anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090/51 "2010-03-29T22:01:53Z")
Thanks to this thread, I just spent the last hour cleaning out my car with that song in my head _Thanks a lot._ I found a mysterious model rocket in the trunk, though. ---
**Author:** ![TheTerribleTako](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba8739/32.png) [@TheTerribleTako](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheTerribleTako)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090/52 "2010-03-29T23:26:21Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > LPersonally I quite like Jack Johnson, and the Hawaiian sound he has came just at the right time in the popular imagination - but in my opinion that Jason Mraz dude is a pretender, with an almost-clinical duplication of JJ’s sound. Ok, so I’m not a fan of most of these bands here and I absolutely cannot stand Owl City (but there’s a thread for that already), but I have to defend Jason Mraz. I went to a Jason Mraz concert in 2005 and he is impressive in concert. He must has perfect pitch since every single song of his was performed on key. He’s one of the few performers that I can say is consistently better live than his studio recorded tunes. He’s very fun to watch since he’s fast on his feet and a great improviser of lyrics. Most of his popular songs are the mushy, sentimental ones, but his best ones are often tongue in cheek and humorous. [Here’s](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWszEcjFSqo&feature=related) an example of Jason Mraz live and improvising. He’s in Paris doing some street performances for a video recording that he’s doing and he hears a street busker playing and joins in with her. It might not be your style of music, but it’s still impressive. And back to your regularly scheduled program. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090/53 "2010-03-29T23:40:13Z")
> [@MTCicero](#): > > Wait wait wait! Are you, in fact, implying that _I Do Not Want What I Haven’t Got_ is somehow less than stellar? Because that would be crazy talk. That one has “I Am Stretched On Your Grave” on it, doesn’t it? Love that song. ---
**Author:** ![Beetle\_Juice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac91a4/32.png) [@Beetle\_Juice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beetle_Juice)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090/54 "2010-03-30T00:37:40Z")
Worst song ever is that goddam Barbi Girl. ---
**Author:** ![Perciful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b38774/32.png) [@Perciful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Perciful)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090/55 "2010-03-30T02:10:46Z")
> [@Snake\_Plissken](#): > > I agree with your sentiment here. I particularly remember suffering through the Debbie Boone era. What bothered me even more though was all the great music they destroyed for me by overplay. Debbie Boone wasn’t destroyed by overplay soon enough for me. I had to hear it over and over and over because some idiot at the radio station had a thing for her or something. The only time I ever hear her now is when I have Delilah on and some love sick woman wants to dedicate it to her husband that is in the other room made to listen to it because it was there wedding song or some such nonsense. Are people really that sappy? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090/56 "2010-03-30T02:14:21Z")
Come on. It can’t be worse than Little Money’s “Bedrock.” Or “Bittersweet Symphony.” ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090/57 "2010-03-30T02:41:49Z")
I don’t mind Owl City, other than referring them as “emo lullabies”. **RickJay** , is that the one with “Call me Mr. Flinstone, I can make your bed rock?” _Shudders_ ---
**Author:** ![MagicEyes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@MagicEyes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MagicEyes)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090/58 "2010-03-30T04:07:44Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUB](#): > > “. . .I’m so obsessed, my heart is bound to beat right out my _untrimmed chest_” > > W… T … F ??? And then there’s this little gem: “Your lipstick stains on the front lobe of my left-side brains” 😕😕 Is she a zombie? A very sexy zombie, but still, why would there be brains if a zombie is not involved? She must be a zombie, right? ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090/59 "2010-03-30T16:27:47Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > And John Mayer…his music suck ass, but he actually seems like a really cool person. He _knows_ that he has a schtick, and that he sold out, but has a good sense of humor about it and himself. Definitely agree. His [appearance (NSFW)](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgIlTyCiVYQ) on the Dave Chappelle Show was funny as hell. And no - “Hey Soul Sister” is not the worst song of all-time, or even in rotation on Top 40 right now. That honor goes to that [horrible, horrible](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEiYj9vGFg8&feature=fvst) Kesha song. Makes me feel mighty stabby, it does. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanub/32/132_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUB)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090/60 "2010-03-30T17:28:40Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > Definitely agree. His [appearance (NSFW)](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgIlTyCiVYQ) on the Dave Chappelle Show was funny as hell. > > And no - “Hey Soul Sister” is not the worst song of all-time, or even in rotation on Top 40 right now. That honor goes to that [horrible, horrible](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEiYj9vGFg8&feature=fvst) Kesha song. Makes me feel mighty stabby, it does. Is it just me, or can anyone else almost \*smell \*Ke$ha through the tv? Good god, what a skank. I’ll take Train dude’s untrimmed chest over that trash bag any day. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-exists-no-song-worse-than-sweet-soul-sister-by-train/534090.md?page=4)