# There is no proof of evolution **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 24, 2006, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-no-proof-of-evolution/370007 "2006-08-24T06:14:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-no-proof-of-evolution/370007/201 "2006-08-28T02:56:40Z")
[QUOTE=Pazu] I’ve asked him (or her) this same question twice in two different threads. [/QUOTE] Just for the record, I asked the same question in this thread, above. ---
**Author:** ![baronsabato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed655f/32.png) [@baronsabato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/baronsabato)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-no-proof-of-evolution/370007/202 "2006-08-28T07:55:13Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Not to mention that fact that the concept of “species” is a human construct, not inherently meaningful to nature itself. We put chimps and bonobos in differen species boxes because there is a phsyical barrier to their natural ranges preventing them from interbreeding in the wild. But they’re perfectly capable of interbreeding if they’re given the chance. We call “birds” and “reptiles” different kinds, but the more we look into that, the less it holds up. So, there is no such thing as “kind” except when we define there to be such a thing ourselves. [/QUOTE] Very true. I hope I didn’t come off as suggesting otherwise; I was hoping to try and use Creation-speak and see if the OP would respond. [QUOTE=John Mace] Just for the record, I asked the same question in this thread, above. [/QUOTE] Ah, sorry for that. I’m afraid I didn’t read the entire thread before jumping to post. Even so, I hope that by repeating it for the fourth time or so, srmclauren will get the hint and actually reply. 🙂 [QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] I can’t speak for srmclauren, but from what i’ve seen most creationists actually don’t care all that much about fish turning into pigs or any kind of “animal” evolution. What they do care about is human lineage, mainly because if we’re evolved from animals, then we have in ourselves some primitive urges and other mental/physiological trappings from our ancestors; not only does this seem “wrong” to them, it also creates problems in other areas of belief (for example, sexual urges are a benefit from evolution, and not sent by the Devil to tempt. [/QUOTE] Well, back when _I_ was a creationist, my creationist friends and I were not okay with evolution, period. Be it fish to pig or ape to man, we were against it. I assumed that srmclauren felt the same, since he kept going on about “microevolution” and all that. But hey, if your experience is that creationists are now only concerned with the evolution of mankind, that at least says something about progress. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-no-proof-of-evolution/370007/203 "2006-08-28T09:08:24Z")
[QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer] Now you’re deliberately pressuring me to come up with one, you son of an ape. I can’t work under these conditions, Erudammit! [/QUOTE] [pedant voice ON] shouldn’t that be ‘you common descendant of an ape’? [pedant voice OFF] ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-no-proof-of-evolution/370007/204 "2006-08-28T11:25:27Z")
[QUOTE=glee] [pedant voice ON] shouldn’t that be ‘you common descendant of an ape’? [pedant voice OFF] [/QUOTE] Now you’re on my list. ::searches for pad & paper, finds nothing:: Later you’ll be on my list. ---
**Author:** ![Gleena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b3f665/32.png) [@Gleena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gleena)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-no-proof-of-evolution/370007/205 "2006-08-28T13:40:18Z")
[QUOTE=srmclauren] For some, maybe all of us, our ignorance will only be completely conquered in death. [/QUOTE] _considers reply_ _considers SDMB rules_ _sigh_ Cheers, G ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-no-proof-of-evolution/370007/206 "2006-08-28T16:01:06Z")
[QUOTE=baronsabato] Very true. I hope I didn’t come off as suggesting otherwise; I was hoping to try and use Creation-speak and see if the OP would respond. [/quote] No, I was just expanding on what you said, not trying to imply there was anything wrong with it. > [@](#): > > Ah, sorry for that. I’m afraid I didn’t read the entire thread before jumping to post. No problem at all. I just thought since everyone else was chiming in, I’d mention that I asked the question, too. It’s interesting that the same question has been asked so many times and yet remains unanswered. Makes you think there isn’t an answer… ---
**Author:** ![Pazu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pazu/32/15522_2.png) [@Pazu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pazu)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-no-proof-of-evolution/370007/207 "2006-08-28T17:52:45Z")
[QUOTE=glee] [pedant voice ON] shouldn’t that be ‘you common descendant of an ape’? [pedant voice OFF] [/QUOTE] I assure you, there is nothing common about me. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Pazu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pazu/32/15522_2.png) [@Pazu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pazu)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-no-proof-of-evolution/370007/208 "2006-08-28T17:55:19Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] No problem at all. I just thought since everyone else was chiming in, I’d mention that I asked the question, too. It’s interesting that the same question has been asked so many times and yet remains unanswered. Makes you think there isn’t an answer… [/QUOTE] Not provided in his belief structure, anyway, and therefore not worth considering, lest the entire shaky edifice of creationism come tumbling down. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-no-proof-of-evolution/370007/209 "2006-09-03T18:15:37Z")
[QUOTE=glee] [pedant voice ON] shouldn’t that be ‘you common descendant of an ape’? [pedant voice OFF] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer] Now you’re on my list. ::searches for pad & paper, finds nothing:: Later you’ll be on my list. [/QUOTE] [pedant voice ON] shouldn’t that be pen and paper’? [pedant voice OFF] 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-no-proof-of-evolution/370007/210 "2006-09-03T22:58:55Z")
[QUOTE=glee] [pedant voice ON] shouldn’t that be pen and paper’? [pedant voice OFF] 😃 [/QUOTE] ::finds PEN & paper and adds **glee** to enemies list:: Happy now. Honestly. When I am God-King of Terra, you are getting SUCH a thrashing from the genetically-engineered, etc. winged howler monkeys. And then it’s straight to the pickle mines. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2006, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-no-proof-of-evolution/370007/211 "2006-09-23T05:14:23Z")
**Interest** , per your request in [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=7803241#post7803241), I’m resurrecting this one on evolution. Will you be so kind as to reply to the questionin post 171–to wit, what would it take to convince you that the theory of evolution, as currently propounded by biologists, actually occurred? Also, do you have any comment on **tomndebb** ’s comments on the dating of fossils? I’m including a link to this thread in the other. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-no-proof-of-evolution/370007.md?page=10)