# There is now one more Mac user in the world... **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 22, 2008, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-now-one-more-mac-user-in-the-world/450290 "2008-05-22T21:17:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-now-one-more-mac-user-in-the-world/450290/1 "2008-05-22T21:17:02Z")
After waiting several weeks for the new processors to be released, I finally bit the bullet & bought an iMac. So far, I’m loving the thing, though I often feel like I’m learning a new language. There aren’t always direct translations (though I just haven’t discovered most, I suspect) & I’m constantly running an inner dialogue: “Okay, _return_ = _enter_ and _delete_ = _backspace_, but what = _delete_? I see that a word is misspelled, but how do I correct it?” etc., etc. I think a class at the Apple store is in my future. I must say, this OS just feels “clean”, for lack of a better word. I’m not used to running programs that are relatively glitch free, and that (knock on wood) work the way they are supposed to. So, anyone else out there making the jump? Also, is it easy to run Windows on this thing without corrupting my new toy? ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-now-one-more-mac-user-in-the-world/450290/2 "2008-05-22T22:49:38Z")
Welcome! [Here’s my first impressions](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=420634&). ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-now-one-more-mac-user-in-the-world/450290/3 "2008-05-22T23:02:01Z")
[QUOTE=Labrador Deceiver] So, anyone else out there making the jump? Also, is it easy to run Windows on this thing without corrupting my new toy? [/QUOTE] Cant speak to bootstrapping windows , but if they ever decide to release OSX for the pc world I’d pick it up , otherwise Im sticking with linux/windows. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-now-one-more-mac-user-in-the-world/450290/4 "2008-05-22T23:09:46Z")
You might also be interested in the forums at [Mac Rumors](http://www.macrumors.com/). I have XP running on my MacBook Pro as well. Easy to run? Yes. Easy to install? Sort of. It gets a little tricky if you’re running it under Fusion or Parallels; basically, only register Windows _after_ you’ve complete all your post-install adjustments and tweaking. I found that running Windows by itself made my machine run very warm; I got a little program called SMCFanControl to whack the fans up to about 4000 RPM in OS X; when I rebooted into Windows, the high fan speed remained and the machine was a lot cooler. YMMV, of course; your machine is a year newer and is not a laptop. ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-now-one-more-mac-user-in-the-world/450290/5 "2008-05-22T23:16:13Z")
[QUOTE=Declan] Cant speak to bootstrapping windows , but if they ever decide to release OSX for the pc world I’d pick it up , otherwise Im sticking with linux/windows. Declan [/QUOTE] My friend downloaded OSX86 from Og knows where and installed it on a Toshiba and started it. I fired up Windows on my Mac. We put the two computers side by side on the table and said, “You got Mac in my Windows! You got Windows in my Mac!” ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-now-one-more-mac-user-in-the-world/450290/6 "2008-05-22T23:22:57Z")
Here’s another good thread: [Tell me about Macs](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=458934&highlight=macbook). ---
**Author:** ![chaoticbear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@chaoticbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chaoticbear)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-now-one-more-mac-user-in-the-world/450290/7 "2008-05-22T23:29:52Z")
Yay! I love my Macbook, but it has to go to the Mac Hospital because of a weird bright spot on the screen. I was supposda get a box yesterday, but it still hasn’t shown up. And the forward-delete key combination is Fn+delete. That was one of the weirdest things I had to figure out is that for ANYTHING you could ever want to do on a Mac, there is a keyboard shortcut for it. My favorite that I’ve never seen an equivalent to on a PC is apple-option-= (think plus sign, but without shift) to zoom the screen in, and apple-option-(dash) (apple-option-- looks funny) ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-now-one-more-mac-user-in-the-world/450290/8 "2008-05-22T23:34:16Z")
\*\*Join. A. User. Group. \*\* I can’t emphasize this enough. Here’s where to find one in your area: [User Groups - Apple](http://www.apple.com/usergroups/) Most Mac people will bend over backwards to help - I know we do. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-now-one-more-mac-user-in-the-world/450290/9 "2008-05-22T23:41:24Z")
Wow, good stuff everybody. **Sunspace** - your first thread was much better than mine. **chaoticbear** - do you mean the key called “command” on my keyboard? I’ve been using the command-+ function a good bit as I zoom in and out of certain screens. **beowulff** - that’s a wonderful suggestion. I’m going to really dig into this thing next week, if works stays a little slow. ---
**Author:** ![chaoticbear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@chaoticbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chaoticbear)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-now-one-more-mac-user-in-the-world/450290/10 "2008-05-23T00:01:37Z")
Ah, yes, command. It used to have a picture of an apple on it, but the new keyboard designs removed them for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2008, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-now-one-more-mac-user-in-the-world/450290/11 "2008-05-23T00:29:28Z")
[QUOTE=Labrador Deceiver] Wow, good stuff everybody. **Sunspace** - your first thread was much better than mine. [/QUOTE] Thanks! That was actually my second ‘I have a Mac’ thread. [Here’s the first](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=420512). And [this is why a bought a Mac](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=407145). ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2008, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-now-one-more-mac-user-in-the-world/450290/12 "2008-05-23T00:46:59Z")
[QUOTE=Sunspace] My friend downloaded OSX86 from Og knows where and installed it on a Toshiba and started it. I fired up Windows on my Mac. We put the two computers side by side on the table and said, “You got Mac in my Windows! You got Windows in my Mac!” [/QUOTE] Oh , I’d be interested in learning where that was. But since I think its part of the peace treaty between jobs and gates , osx aint gonna be released for the x86 unless some serious disagreement goes on. Some of the apps that were mentioned ,both the msn messenger and that other messenger software, is there a site with the source code that I can compile. The download site has a .dmg extension that Im not sure linux can open, if so shout out. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Caractacus\_Pott](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@Caractacus\_Pott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caractacus_Pott)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-now-one-more-mac-user-in-the-world/450290/13 "2008-05-24T00:52:24Z")
[QUOTE=Labrador Deceiver] …So, anyone else out there making the jump? Also, is it easy to run Windows on this thing without corrupting my new toy? [/QUOTE] I jumped early this year and am glad I did. Other than some unexpected Firewire 800 flakiness, it’s run flawlessly. I expected I’d want to run Windows on it, but time has told me that would be stupid. I use the same programs (Opera browser, VLC multimedia, Photoshop Elements, etc) as on my HP laptop. So what am I missing? Flaws, bugs, latency… A side benefit: no Windows at home, no bringing work home!!! ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-now-one-more-mac-user-in-the-world/450290/14 "2008-05-24T01:37:17Z")
> [@](#): > > There is now one more Mac user in the world No, there isn’t. Because I am selling mine so I balance you out. I will _never_ buy a Mac again. Can’t even begin to say how much I hate them. ---
**Author:** ![chaoticbear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@chaoticbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chaoticbear)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-now-one-more-mac-user-in-the-world/450290/15 "2008-05-24T12:29:45Z")
Well, until you sell yours the worldwide count is +1. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Cream\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ice\_Cream\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Cream_Man)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-now-one-more-mac-user-in-the-world/450290/16 "2008-05-24T14:03:16Z")
[QUOTE=chaoticbear] My favorite that I’ve never seen an equivalent to on a PC is apple-option-= (think plus sign, but without shift) to zoom the screen in, and apple-option-(dash) (apple-option-- looks funny) [/QUOTE] Or hold CTRL and scroll (mousewheel or trackpad)… I prefer that method. Another fun (and kind of useless one) is command+alt+ctrl+8. Inverts the colours. The favourite keyboard shortcut I read (which I looked for forever) is that while command +tab cycles through your open applications, command+~ (no shift) cycles through the windows of the currently selected application. Finally, some neat tricks with command+tab: If you hit command tab and then continue holding command you can choose the application you want with your mouse. Also if you hit command tab and hold on to the command button, you can just hit Q to quit the application highlighted in the “application switcher” interface. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-now-one-more-mac-user-in-the-world/450290/17 "2008-05-24T17:25:34Z")
[QUOTE=chaoticbear] Well, until you sell yours the worldwide count is +1. 😛 [/QUOTE] Nuh uh! Cuz I’m not using it! ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-now-one-more-mac-user-in-the-world/450290/18 "2008-05-25T02:13:28Z")
[QUOTE=OpalCat] Nuh uh! Cuz I’m not using it! [/QUOTE] Plus, I stabbed a guy in the parking lot at the local Apple store here. Granted, I didn’t stick around to see if he died, but I stabbed him a lot…so yeah, you guys are at least -1, if not -2. ---
**Author:** ![chaoticbear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@chaoticbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chaoticbear)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-now-one-more-mac-user-in-the-world/450290/19 "2008-05-25T02:32:47Z")
[QUOTE=bouv] Plus, I stabbed a guy in the parking lot at the local Apple store here. Granted, I didn’t stick around to see if he died, but I stabbed him a lot…so yeah, you guys are at least -1, if not -2. [/QUOTE] If local news reports are any indication, he was the famous “Apple Store Parking Lot Serial Killer”, which actually does us a favor. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![ASAKMOTSD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@ASAKMOTSD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASAKMOTSD)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-now-one-more-mac-user-in-the-world/450290/20 "2008-05-25T02:55:31Z")
[QUOTE=Ice Cream Man] Another fun (and kind of useless one) is command+alt+ctrl+8. Inverts the colours. [/QUOTE] I am picturing a game of Twister between you and your keyboard to do that sequence… 😛 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-is-now-one-more-mac-user-in-the-world/450290.md?page=2)