# There needs to be a new word **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 4, 2025, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-needs-to-be-a-new-word/1021689 "2025-08-04T14:20:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Unintentionally\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unintentionally_blank/32/5418_2.png) [@Unintentionally\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unintentionally_Blank)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-needs-to-be-a-new-word/1021689/1 "2025-08-04T14:20:56Z")
Something that is similar to ‘every accusation is a confession’ and ‘the statement you’re making is disingenuous’ and ‘you are doing a thing under false pretenses’ Something that means ‘I’m not going to debate you, because you’re not really interested in debate’. Examples are rife in our current political climate, but we need a concept that just bypasses gish gallop and doublespeak. ’Ok Boomer’ is good…really good, but still doesn’t encompass it. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-needs-to-be-a-new-word/1021689/2 "2025-08-04T14:22:29Z")
> [@Unintentionally\_Blank](#): > > ’Ok Boomer’ is good…really good, but still doesn’t encompass it. As a ‘’‘boomer’‘’, no, it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Unintentionally\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unintentionally_blank/32/5418_2.png) [@Unintentionally\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unintentionally_Blank)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-needs-to-be-a-new-word/1021689/3 "2025-08-04T14:23:14Z")
Sure, as a not quite boomer, I get it, but it was powerfully succinct. It derailed a tarpit of debate quickly. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-needs-to-be-a-new-word/1021689/4 "2025-08-04T14:27:31Z")
“I refuse to engage with lying liars. Good Day!” ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-needs-to-be-a-new-word/1021689/5 "2025-08-04T14:35:49Z")
> [@Unintentionally\_Blank](#): > > ’Ok Boomer’ is good…really good, but still doesn’t encompass it. No. It means “Ignore the old guy.” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-needs-to-be-a-new-word/1021689/6 "2025-08-04T14:38:46Z")
Liar. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-needs-to-be-a-new-word/1021689/7 "2025-08-04T14:39:29Z")
ETA: @Northern_Piper 2 posts up. Yep. Exactly zero overlap between “OK Boomer” and what the OP is looking for. Leaves me wondering about their sincerity in seeking this new word or more likely phrase. @Czarcasm: We might try “BSer”, coming from the famous book > **[On Bullshit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit)** > > On Bullshit is a 1986 essay and 2005 book by the American philosopher Harry G. Frankfurt which presents a theory of bullshit that defines the concept and analyzes the applications of bullshit in the context of communication. Frankfurt determines that bullshit is speech intended to persuade without regard for truth. The liar cares about the truth and attempts to hide it; the bullshitter doesn't care whether what they say is true or false.: 61  Frankfurt's philosophical analysis of bullshit ha The central point being that a liar might know they’re telling falsehoods. A BSer doesn’t even care. It’s ignorant insincerity to the very core. With a BSer any connection of their words to reality is purely accidental. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-needs-to-be-a-new-word/1021689/8 "2025-08-04T14:47:05Z")
I prefer “liar” because it gets to the heart of the matter and doesn’t need further explanation. A lie is a lie and you don’t have to explain what it means to other. It certainly follows the “K.I.S.S.” rule. ---
**Author:** ![Unintentionally\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unintentionally_blank/32/5418_2.png) [@Unintentionally\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unintentionally_Blank)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-needs-to-be-a-new-word/1021689/9 "2025-08-04T14:48:11Z")
I can rescind it as an example, but it reinforces my initial statement: There isn’t a good, short, word that says ‘I’m not going to engage with you because there’ll be no resolution….quite possibly because you [aren’t interested in changing your mind | aren’t interested in leaving trumpland | intentionally drawing things out to own the libs | distracing attention away from the Epstein files | some other disingenuous reason] I will submit that the Orange in Chief is a late stage Boomer, insofar as he games the system, made all the money, then is doing his level best to pull the ladder up behind him. The statement, as presented, IMHO, isn’t a blanket statement to everyone in a certain age group, it’s typical of a certain person who benefitted from the system, then sabotaged it for those that came after. If you disagree, that’s how I was taking it, and I’ll remove that (poor) example in the interests of the actual question. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-needs-to-be-a-new-word/1021689/10 "2025-08-04T14:48:58Z")
> [@Unintentionally\_Blank](#): > > Sure, as a not quite boomer, I get it, but it was powerfully succinct. It derailed a tarpit of debate quickly. Yes, and it still is powerfully succinct. I had it used against me by someone who was losing the logical argument (or more accurately who had no logical argument) and opted instead for a meaningless shutdown. I also think secondarily it was a slur against my complete sentences and correct word choices. This tactic reminds me of those who think if they are in a dispute, being the person who shouts the loudest until the other person gives up means they won the argument. Anyway, I don’t think shutting down arguments is a direction in which I want to go. > [@Unintentionally\_Blank](#): > > a late stage Boomer, insofar as he games the system, made all the money, then is doing his level best to pull the ladder up behind him. I’m not going to argue with someone who is so clearly full of blind prejudice against a whole group of people. ---
**Author:** ![Unintentionally\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unintentionally_blank/32/5418_2.png) [@Unintentionally\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unintentionally_Blank)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-needs-to-be-a-new-word/1021689/11 "2025-08-04T14:54:25Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > I’m not going to argue with someone who is so clearly full of blind prejudice against a whole group of people. Looks like the edit window is closed. I’d gladly start another thread because I think the concept is valid and my example is clearly incorrect. Or have I lost you forever? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-needs-to-be-a-new-word/1021689/12 "2025-08-04T14:55:57Z")
I’m done as well, given your reliance on age-based stereotypes to explain your idea. ---
**Author:** ![Unintentionally\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unintentionally_blank/32/5418_2.png) [@Unintentionally\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unintentionally_Blank)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-needs-to-be-a-new-word/1021689/13 "2025-08-04T15:04:43Z")
Wow. As you were then. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-needs-to-be-a-new-word/1021689/14 "2025-08-04T15:13:44Z")
Substitute ‘OK woman’ for ’OK boomer’ and tell me it’s still good…really good. Pro Tip: Don’t use immutable characteristics unless they actually apply. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-needs-to-be-a-new-word/1021689/15 "2025-08-04T15:43:23Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > No. It means “Ignore the old guy.” An old guy who was previously maligned as a “baby boomer”, that is, too young and naive to be allowed to have an opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-needs-to-be-a-new-word/1021689/16 "2025-08-04T15:45:14Z")
This is why “O.K. boomer” is the wrong way to go. It quickly devolves into a distraction about the phrase. ---
**Author:** ![Beesnest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e495f1/32.png) [@Beesnest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beesnest)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-needs-to-be-a-new-word/1021689/17 "2025-08-04T15:53:58Z")
The English had something like “Porky” which meant telling tall tails….something to do with pork pies. Someday the word trump will mean completely made up instead of top this. We can start it by saying that is such a trump. I like “Your facts are a dog’s breakfast” Means a pile of shit. (or what the cat threw up) ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-needs-to-be-a-new-word/1021689/18 "2025-08-04T15:57:04Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > This is why “O.K. boomer” is the wrong way to go. It quickly devolves into a distraction about the phrase. Right. It’s intent is to be dismissive, rude and insulting; in other words, the opposite of constructive discourse. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-needs-to-be-a-new-word/1021689/19 "2025-08-04T15:57:05Z")
> [@Beesnest](#): > > The English had something like “Porky” which meant telling tall tails….something to do with pork pies. Again, if the phrase has to have an explanation tacked on, instead of itself being the explanation, there is a problem. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-needs-to-be-a-new-word/1021689/20 "2025-08-04T15:59:16Z")
Agreed. It negates you for who and what you are rather than what you say. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-needs-to-be-a-new-word/1021689.md?page=2)