# There was a common thread to the Lincoln,Garfield,McKinley and Kennedy assasinations **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 24, 2012, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516 "2012-08-24T19:08:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516/141 "2012-08-25T22:23:00Z")
So. As predicted, ignoring legitimate questions is the preferred tactic moving forward. Surprise, surprise. ---
**Author:** ![chappy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@chappy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappy)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516/142 "2012-08-25T22:23:13Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What court of law were they filed in? If they weren’t filed, then they don’t mean jack shit legally. I was asking about the actual working of the document. What is \* technically \* wrong, such that it would get thrown out or not even be worthy of first year student as Oakminister said? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516/143 "2012-08-25T23:43:12Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > Could you elaborate? I dont have any legal training. Setting aside the merits of the case, what is wrong with the way the documents are written? > [@chappy](#): > > I was asking about the actual working of the document. What is \* technically \* wrong, such that it would get thrown out or not even be worthy of first year student as Oakminister said? Are you really expecting Oakminister to give you a legal education via a public message board? If you don’t know basic concepts like jurisdiction and relief and standing and venue, you need to hire a lawyer to handle your lawsuit. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516/144 "2012-08-26T01:15:14Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Think about it. What are the odds that the only four assassinated Presidents happen to be the same four Presidents who were assassinated? Now stop thinking. What are the odds now? And they were also assassinated on days of the week with the letter ‘a’ in them. The odds of that are … lessee, 1 letter out of 26… raise to the fourth power… got it: 1 in 456,976. You think something that unlikely could happen just by coincidence? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516/145 "2012-08-26T01:27:36Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > Could you elaborate? I dont have any legal training. Setting aside the merits of the case, what is wrong with the way the documents are written? Sorry, but as **Little Nemo** notes, I can’t teach you to be a lawyer on a message board. ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516/146 "2012-08-26T02:57:55Z")
> [@Swords\_to\_Plowshares](#): > > I swear we have done this thread before. Can’t find it though. I was thinking the same thing. I am getting a serious case of deja vu here. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516/147 "2012-08-26T04:30:26Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > I was asking about the actual working of the document. What is \* technically \* wrong, such that it would get thrown out or not even be worthy of first year student as Oakminister said? You said there were lawsuits, so where were they filed? Either they were filed, or they are toilet paper, period, and that is _all_ anyone has to know as to what is wrong with them. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516/148 "2012-08-26T04:39:34Z")
To get back to the allegations, how much sense does it make that all the “non-aligned” nations in the world gave tons of gold to “the banks” to invest for them? Countries don’t do that sort of thing. People who run countries what have giant piles of gold bullion don’t give gold away to people in other countries, they keep it for themselves, or use it to fund their own lavish lifestyles. Funny thing is, where exactly was all this gold? How did it get moved? Where did it start and where did it end up? Fun fact, back in the old days of the gold standard, governments had large stockpiles of gold that they used to pay off international debts. So if Canada owed a million dollars to Italy, they would have to pay in gold. So Canada shipped a million dollars worth of gold bullion across the Atlantic to the government banks in Italy? No, they did not. Instead, they called their bank, and the bank transferred the money. And they did that without shipping gold anywhere. There would be a shelf in the bank with a bunch of gold, labeled “Canada”. And to transfer the gold to Italy, the bank would just change the labels. They wouldn’t even move it to a different shelf, all that changed was the ledger entry. No gold gets shipped anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516/149 "2012-08-26T04:52:36Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > And where, pray-tell, is this stolen booty stashed? Ooh, Ooh, I know, Mr. Batty! [It is in Indonesia](http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2012/07/04/david-wilcock-update-7-3-12-neil-keenan-alive-and-well-and-moving-forward-on-the-lawsuits/), and even though much of the gold was stolen from Indonesia, Indonesia cannot retrieve it because it is guarded with deadly force. I think you’ll be reassured that the author of this website was very skeptical of this story until Neil Keenan convinced him. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516/150 "2012-08-26T05:04:07Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You said there were lawsuits, so where were they filed? Either they were filed, or they are toilet paper, period, and that is _all_ anyone has to know as to what is wrong with them. Judging from the content of the documents, they weren’t actually filed as lawsuits. Document #1: A letter written by Neil Keenan, explaining his theories about what is legal and illegal. He had five witnesses sign this letter, stating that they believed it was true. Keenan then sent this letter to Mario Draghi, who is identified as the Governor of the European Central Bank (his actual title is President). In his letter, Keenan said a group of debtors (which included Draghi) owed five trillion Euros to a group of settlors (which included Keenan). Document #2: Another letter written by Keenan, pretty much the same. This time the letter was sent to the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the amount Keenan claims is owed 4,638,791,996 kilograms of pure gold. Document #3: Masaaki Shirakawa, Bank of Japan, three hundred trillion yen. Document #4: Jaimie Caruana, Bank for International Settlements, fifty trillion US dollars. None of these documents appear to have been filed with any court. Mr Keenan apparently is sending letters to financial leaders and telling them they owe him money. (He apparently has declared himself the representative of all the people the money is owed to. No word on his plans for distributing any money he receives.) Mr Keenan’s legal argument seems to be that he has made these claims and nobody responded to them within fifteen days. So they are now proven as true by default. My head hurts. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516/151 "2012-08-26T06:07:52Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Judging from the content of the documents, they weren’t actually filed as lawsuits. > > Document #1: A letter written by Neil Keenan, explaining his theories about what is legal and illegal. He had five witnesses sign this letter, stating that they believed it was true. Keenan then sent this letter to Mario Draghi, who is identified as the Governor of the European Central Bank (his actual title is President). In his letter, Keenan said a group of debtors (which included Draghi) owed five trillion Euros to a group of settlors (which included Keenan). > > Document #2: Another letter written by Keenan, pretty much the same. This time the letter was sent to the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the amount Keenan claims is owed 4,638,791,996 kilograms of pure gold. > > Document #3: Masaaki Shirakawa, Bank of Japan, three hundred trillion yen. > > Document #4: Jaimie Caruana, Bank for International Settlements, fifty trillion US dollars. > > None of these documents appear to have been filed with any court. Mr Keenan apparently is sending letters to financial leaders and telling them they owe him money. (He apparently has declared himself the representative of all the people the money is owed to. No word on his plans for distributing any money he receives.) > > Mr Keenan’s legal argument seems to be that he has made these claims and nobody responded to them within fifteen days. So they are now proven as true by default. > > My head hurts. In other words, junk mail. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516/152 "2012-08-26T06:25:06Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > In other words, junk mail. Pretty much. What’s interesting is that Keenan doesn’t seem to have a back-up plan. He’s just sending these letters out and informing people they owe him trillions of dollars. There’s no “…or else” involved. He doesn’t even threaten to send a follow-up letter much less turn the matter over to a collection agency. Of course, maybe Keenan is worried about what happened to McKinley. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516/153 "2012-08-26T07:23:20Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Chappy, are you going to bother to address the repeated citations that there isn’t anywhere near as much gold mined in the whole world as you claim is being hidden by the evil bankers? Wait… what if the extra gold is on Niburu? _My God, it all makes sense now._ ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516/154 "2012-08-26T11:25:26Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > [http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/93545192/LIEN-Affidavit-Against-European-Central-Bank-ECB](http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/93545192/LIEN-Affidavit-Against-European-Central-Bank-ECB) I just looked at this first one. Apparently there’s now an “_international_ admiralty law and common law”, under which apparently operate institutions like the central banks of Belgium, France or Spain. I didn’t understand what exactly put the claimant in the position of asking several trillions of Euros from the ECB and other European Central banks, but banks with a Jewish name, the American Federal Reserve and the British royal family are somehow involved. I didn’t read the thing in detail, I must admit. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516/155 "2012-08-26T11:39:49Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > What would it take for you to see this has merit? News stories all over NBC? You asked for documents, I gave documents. . Your documents don’t make any sense. That beginning with the first lines of the first document where someone is suing the ECB under “international admiralty law”. There’s no such thing as “international admiralty law”. I assume I could send you a document stating that I’m suing you for the value of your house that you owe to me according to international Napoleonic law. It would make as much sense. ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516/156 "2012-08-26T12:41:40Z")
Did the same gunman kill them all? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516/157 "2012-08-26T12:54:43Z")
> [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](#): > > I was thinking the same thing. I am getting a serious case of deja vu here. I posted a link to the thread from a few months back earlier in this thread - here’s the link again [http://www.boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=637649](http://www.boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=637649) (not quite the same theory is involved but it does involve bankers and presidential assasinations) ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516/158 "2012-08-26T13:00:03Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > Lincoln, McKinley and Kennedy all wanted to eliminate the central bank. Lincoln printed greenbacks to finance the Civil war, Kennedy printed silver certificates to pull the government away from international banking interests. [ol] [li]There was no central bank when any of these took place. There wasn’t even a Federal Reserve (except For JFK). [/li][li]McKinley won election by supporting the gold standard, and specifically rejecting attempts to dilute the currency.[/li][li]Sliver certificates predated JFK by decades; I’ve seen them dating from the 1930s. The switch to Federal Reserve Notes started before his election.[/li][/ol] It’s amazing that so many conspiracy buffs can’t even construct a timeline of events, nor do they look at anything outside of what they’re selling. ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516/159 "2012-08-26T13:19:42Z")
It reeally worries me that Chappy seems to believe this. After ten years here I thought I had seen all the nutjobs on the board. This one is worse than Hendrix being murdered. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516/160 "2012-08-26T14:20:57Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Sliver certificates predated JFK by decades; I’ve seen them dating from the 1930s. The switch to Federal Reserve Notes started before his election. > > It’s amazing that so many conspiracy buffs can’t even construct a timeline of events, nor do they look at anything outside of what they’re selling. Silver certificates date back to 1878 during the presidency of Rutherford B. Hayes. Why wasn’t he killed before the bill was passed? Wouldn’t that have been a lot easier? Why wait the better part of a century to kill Kennedy? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-was-a-common-thread-to-the-lincoln-garfield-mckinley-and-kennedy-assasinations/632516.md?page=9)